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CoNfUsEd GaMeR | Posted 10/12/2005 2:39:02 PM | message detail Wow, topic 11...With the discovery of the Arwing we should have lots to talk about :D

Let's continue on...


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Darth Evil | Posted 10/12/2005 3:11:44 PM | message detail To Buzz Lightyear's post; Post #496 of topic 10: (really long post that I felt would've been to excessive to quote.)

Hmm ... I agree with most of your points. I mean, there are very few un-accounted for quotes now ... and of those that people say are not accounted for, I found many that I know where they are or at least remember seeing them. Anyone have a list currently that I could look through for it?

Then there is the Arwing and Running Man not being related: For that, I am not sure. Remember the push button codes for Goldeneye? Again, there is a possibility for everything, so nothing should be just shunned aside because no one thinks there is any relationship between them.

The scratch claws upon the tree: Yeah, seems reasonable ... there is no set time so far that we can figure the arwing is supposed to appear. Since we can make Adult Link characters and areas appear, there is nothing barring from the era we can narrow our search to without the possibility of missing something.

Maybe the arwing is like the Hyrulian Loach. Yeah, I brought that up. I mean, the Loach appears randomly with not text associated with it (other than the text said by Navi or the Fisherman, but those are after the fact.) So possibly if we wait in some place long enough, or enter at an exact time it will appear to us.

With this in mind, maybe this is the thing in the game that Miyamoto said you could do during the race with the Running Man to change the game slightly. Has anyone beaten the game after destroying the arwing (both while racing and not racing the running man) and saw if something changed during the ending cinematic?

Have all infinitely spawning enemies been accounted for as far as what larger creature they spawn after so many kills? I mean, possibly if we kill enough kesse, leevers, stallchilds, the birds, or any other ones I am forgetting? POES! The poes in Hyrule Field during the Adult era ... they keep spawning. Maybe ... just maybe if we kill enough it will appear. It makes sense sorta. They both sorta circle you, send projectiles at you, and both float/fly. I don't know. Just me throwing more ideas once again.

This clue may be what we've looked for so long to achieve and finally solve Miyamoto's riddle, or Nintendo may finally release the information about it soon since it will eventually get news that we have found the arwing. Let's hope for the best.

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Signature goes here. Super Cecil12 | Posted 10/12/2005 4:04:07 PM | message detail Wow, the 10th topic wasn't flooded out at the end! Awesome, now onto business

(from part X)



CG

* Peppy the Hare is like a rabbit almost :P and we all know rabbits are one of the mysterious themes of OoT.

---This one, of the list you posted, was the most interesting one to me.



Buzz Lightyear

but we also known that Keaton is a fox ("the ghost fox"---Majora's Mask)---as is (duh) Fox McCloud.

---So is the keaton mask some sort of hidden reference to StarFox64?



Therefore, it seems to me that these possibilities follow:

---That's a great list, by the way.



is there any text in the game that is unaccounted for?

---Yes, there is text unaccounted for. (the list, as Darth mentioned, is not up to date)



Technic

There is nothing about it that points to the running man. Nothing at all. Give me one thing they could possibly have in common other than they're both mysterious.

---Okay, he's right here. Nothing points to it.

It cost nothing to keep an open mind (at least in proportion), maybe the arwing can be found while racing the running man? But that does bring us back to what we've been doing for the past few topics.


Go ahead and flame me for saying there isn't anything left to find, because that's what you guys always do. You did it to my friend and now you're going to do it to me.

---I don't understand, who was your friend? Jaytheham? I don't exactly remember flaming you or him....



Good luck on the search. I will let you all know if our group finds anything.

---Same here.

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Rush Board 2112 BeetleJuice | Posted 10/12/2005 4:17:46 PM | message detail I tried killing some Guays in Hylia Lake, but I didn't get very far. I might try again later.
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/__) Are you pondering what I'm pondering? Technic | Posted 10/12/2005 6:51:18 PM | message detail "I don't understand, who was your friend? Jaytheham? I don't exactly remember flaming you or him...."

Well, you didn't exactly "flame" my friend (OoT_Fan I think was the name), but I was expecting a harsher reply to what I said. Random occasions of pointless attacks on friends have happened elsewhere on this site. I apologize for thinking that way.


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Sparx401 | Posted 10/13/2005 3:00:05 AM | message detail I'm gonna go check any activation points with my AR to see if the arwing appears there. Also, I'm going to run a new file with Japanese text and see any differences that can at least hint the arwing.

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Sparx is back....with a vengeance Buzz Lightyear | Posted 10/13/2005 9:34:05 AM | message detail I can't make the Arwing appear since I don't have Gameshark or Pro Action Replay, so I have a couple questions for those who have made it appear:

1) In the video that I've seen of it, the video starts with Link entering the Kokiri Village area. However, at the start of this scene, we're treated to a short clip of the Arwing close-up, flying around for a few seconds. This is a departure from what we normally see when entering the Kokiri Village from Link's house. Can someone verify for me that this scene naturally occurs when you replace the Kokiri boy with the Arwing? If so... what would account for this short clip of the Arwing flying around when we enter the area? It would seem to me that the game is programmed to show a short clip of the Arwing flying around when Link enters an area that the Arwing is in---curious, and possibly a small clue as to where the Arwing might be found in-game.

2) I think I read somewhere that the Arwing cannot be fought as Adult Link. Is this true? If so this makes no sense to me---from what I know of programming, it would seem that any actor should be at least some substitutable for another (i.e., if we can replace the Kokiri boy with the Arwing, we should be able to replace other objects, too). Has anyone tried this? Am I right in thinking that it is possible to subsitute any actor for any other actor? Of course, if the Arwing fight only works when playing as Young Link, that narrows down where it might be found in-game considerably.
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CoNfUsEd GaMeR | Posted 10/13/2005 10:12:22 AM | message detail Buzz Lightyear, the way the arwing has a small clip of it flying around is similar to the way you get a small clip of a boss strutting its stuff before you fight it...which could mean it's a replacement boss maybe??

Thinking about the boss rooms, it's possible it could be in the GDT boss room, maybe in King Dodongo's room, Don't think it could go in Jabu Jabu...although it wouldn't surprise me if he did swallow an arwing :P

Forest Temple boss room I think would be a bit small, Volvagia's layer is possible, especially since they're both flying...Water Temple boss room I doubt, o o's drum place could happen, don't think so though...hmm and in the Spirit Temple boss room it could happen, because like Volvagia it's a flying boss. It could happen for Ganondorf, and for Ganon, especially since it's an out-door area...

The huge peahats in Hyrule Field could also be eligable replacements...

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Your record is a thing of the past. Buzz Lightyear | Posted 10/13/2005 11:52:51 AM | message detail Yes, CoNfUsEd, I had the same thought---it seems to be similar to a triggering animation for a boss fight, just without the accompanying text introducing the boss. Very, very, very intriguing.

I agree with your breakdown of the boss rooms and the likelihood of the Arwing appearing in those. I'm just uncertain, though, what kind of mechanism would replace a boss with the Arwing.

I also like the idea of the Peahats being replaced by Arwings, but probably only because Hyrule Field seems like it would be a fun place to take on a bunch of Arwings.
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"Help me prop up Vegetable Man or we're done for!" --- Buzz Lightyear, Toy Story 2 silktail | Posted 10/13/2005 2:51:18 PM | message detail With this in mind, maybe this is the thing in the game that Miyamoto said you could do during the race with the Running Man to change the game slightly.

Aside from the fact that he didn't say it?

(The previous research topics have only seen proof of the interview being fake.)
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which could mean it's a replacement boss maybe?

Or maybe a mini-boss?....

....In which case I would of nominated Dark Link's room! ;)
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Technic | Posted 10/13/2005 5:10:07 PM | message detail "2) I think I read somewhere that the Arwing cannot be fought as Adult Link. Is this true? If so this makes no sense to me---from what I know of programming, it would seem that any actor should be at least some substitutable for another (i.e., if we can replace the Kokiri boy with the Arwing, we should be able to replace other objects, too)."

You're right. It works for adult Link. The only reason nobody has been able to get a screenshot of this is because it's hard to get adult Link in young Link's world. If you use the "Play as Young/Old Link" code while you go through a door (fade out/in) at the right moment you can get him in there. I have proof of that. It's just very very hard to do. Timing is hard to get down, and you may just load adult Link's world too. If anybody gets it, take a picture because you may not get another chance for a while.

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.:JasonRose17:. Darth Evil | Posted 10/13/2005 5:35:24 PM | message detail From: silktail | Posted: 10/13/2005 3:51:18 PM | #010
With this in mind, maybe this is the thing in the game that Miyamoto said you could do during the race with the Running Man to change the game slightly.

Aside from the fact that he didn't say it?

(The previous research topics have only seen proof of the interview being fake.)
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which could mean it's a replacement boss maybe?

Or maybe a mini-boss?....

....In which case I would of nominated Dark Link's room! ;)


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Meh ... sorry ... I only came in late-9, so either I must've missed that.

Anyway, a mini-boss replacement seems reasonable considering there is a cutscene to show it's entrance, but no extro. (Most Mini-bosses I can think of have an intro, but no extro to speak of while major bosses have both.) So, to find out where it is supposed to be, and how to make it appear. First part will be much harder than the second I think.

Possible mini-boss rooms:
Deku Room: No mini-boss
Dodongo Cavern: Again, no mini-boss
Jabu-Jabu: Has a mini-boss, but room is too confined
Forest: Has 4 mini-bosses, only one of which the rooms is large enough
Fire: Mini-bosses rooms could be large enough, but seemed still cramped to me
Water: Room is definately big enough

Well: Too cramped ... heck the entire dungeon is too small

Shadow: No! No! and No! again
Spirit: Hmm, Ironknuckle rooms looks decent enough, but I still think too small
GT: Umm ... Maybe ... the three rooms before the final boss seem like they might work, but still ... I doubt it.
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Signature goes here. Darth Evil | Posted 10/13/2005 5:37:07 PM | message detail so either I must've missed -> so I must've missed
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Technic | Posted 10/13/2005 7:52:29 PM | message detail "Forest: Has 4 mini-bosses, only one of which the rooms is large enough"

Would that one room happen to be circular with two Stalfos in it?


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Darth Evil | Posted 10/13/2005 9:15:09 PM | message detail No, I wasn't really considering those to be the mini-boss, I was actually talking about the four individual Poe sisters. I was talking about the main room. Large, but I suppose the stalfos could be a place to put it though as well.
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Buzz Lightyear | Posted 10/14/2005 1:30:23 PM | message detail You know, the more I think about this... I'm leaning toward the opinion that the Arwing is either a test object or an unfinished Easter Egg. One clue that suggests this is that Navi doesn't have any text that she says about the Arwing. If the Arwing were a fully implemented Easter Egg, I think they would have put some snappy Starfox comment for Navi to say ("Do a barrel roll, Link!")

Despite what I said earlier :-), my guess now is that it was probably a test object. It was probably easy to take the Arwing object from SF64 (can someone verify that this would be easy to do even though Mario/Zelda run on a different engine than SF64?) and use it to test the targeting system, aerial enemy behavior, etc. Maybe at one point they were intending to add it as an Easter Egg, but given the rush to get the game out the door, this was not finished (similar to other unfinished things in the game; Zora's Domain unfreezing, etc.)

But I don't think that should stop us from looking, just in case this interpretation is wrong. :-) Finding out how to unlock the Arwing would probably make this one of the biggest video game secrets uncovered ever, right up there with World -1 and Chris Houlihan...

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"Help me prop up Vegetable Man or we're done for!" --- Buzz Lightyear, Toy Story 2 NintendoBoy259 | Posted 10/14/2005 2:23:59 PM | message detail I think I read somewhere that the Arwing cannot be fought as Adult Link. Is this true?

If this is true, it makes me think more about the possibility of the Running Man. If you need to be Kid Link, then there's a good possibility that this is the secret when you go back in time while racing. As for "rewarding," maybe you get a statue in your house or something similar.



The only reason nobody has been able to get a screenshot of this is because it's hard to get adult Link in young Link's world.

Does it absolutely need to be in Kid Link's world? You can't change the old walking lady(?) behind the Skulltula's house into an Arwing, or something similar in Adult Link's world?



Jabu-Jabu: Has a mini-boss, but room is too confined

The Boomerang goes through the "walls" in Jabu-Jabu. An Arwing can too, I assume.

Also, if this has anything to do with being a mini-boss, I would believe that its coding would say so. I'm not experienced with code though, so I could be wrong, but someone should check it out.
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BeetleJuice | Posted 10/14/2005 3:35:03 PM | message detail I don't think it's a boss or mini boss, but that's just a hunch.

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/__) Are you pondering what I'm pondering? silktail | Posted 10/14/2005 4:41:42 PM | message detail Does it absolutely need to be in Kid Link's world? You can't change the old walking lady(?) behind the Skulltula's house into an Arwing, or something similar in Adult Link's world?

I imagine they have made a code to change one character into something else. Rather than a code to change your choice of characters, into the something else.

In other words, since the Kokiri with the rock isn't in the future, you can't see any difference when changing him into something else.
(Note: There is a different Kokiri without a rock, standing there in the future.)

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Buzz Lightyear | Posted 10/14/2005 5:41:59 PM | message detail silktail, I think that's what we're asking. Essentially, the question is this: can you change any object you want into any other object using this technique? Or is the Kokiri-rock boy somehow unique in his ability to be transformed?

Logically, it seems to me that, if you can change the Kokiri-rock boy into an Arwing, you should be able to change anything else (Mido, the Goron on Death Mountain, a skulltula, Volvagia, Epona, a clump of grass, etc.) into an Arwing as well. If that isn't possible, obviously it begs the question: why???

I apologize if my questions are just sheer ignorance; I haven't done any code-hacking like this since a friend of mine and I stayed up really late in high school visiting worlds K-1, L-1, M-1, etc. in Super Mario Bros.

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GC_Dark_Link | Posted 10/14/2005 6:17:00 PM | message detail Just wondering, guys, but why don't you write to Nintendo Power asking about this discovery? I know we've tried the letter to tech support, but Nintendo Power seems more likely to be able to inquire the higher powers about these phenomena. If anyone wants to try, the E-mail is: pulse@nintendopower.com
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Darth Evil | Posted 10/14/2005 7:47:41 PM | message detail From: Buzz Lightyear | Posted: 10/14/2005 6:41:59 PM | #020

silktail, I think that's what we're asking. Essentially, the question is this: can you change any object you want into any other object using this technique? Or is the Kokiri-rock boy somehow unique in his ability to be transformed?

Logically, it seems to me that, if you can change the Kokiri-rock boy into an Arwing, you should be able to change anything else (Mido, the Goron on Death Mountain, a skulltula, Volvagia, Epona, a clump of grass, etc.) into an Arwing as well. If that isn't possible, obviously it begs the question: why???

I apologize if my questions are just sheer ignorance; I haven't done any code-hacking like this since a friend of mine and I stayed up really late in high school visiting worlds K-1, L-1, M-1, etc. in Super Mario Bros.

You can view it as an adult, but as someone stated it involves many things to go right, so not really worth the time. But other than that, no you can't, because what I think it involves is the X, Y, and Z coordinate of the character being changed too. If I read it right in topic X, that was how it was. But, what keeps you from using it for Adult Link is because the character is moved, and thus the access code is changed. Theoretically, if we could find the code for someone that never moved, then we could use it in both eras. But I'm only thinking positively, I know not for sure.

Yes you can change it into anything ... there are codes and pictures documenting this. (I've seen pictures of many bosses, random objects, even the Dark Link room!)

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Signature goes here. Luigi123 | Posted 10/14/2005 9:22:07 PM | message detail Tested to what little I could
People wonder about the running man, so do I. But how far have they gone with it? I like others have noticed wile doing the race you cant use songs to teleport. It'll just end. There is also a time limit to the race. I tried something different. I, during the race, went back in time and the clock still kept ticking. I then went to try and talk to the running man wile as a kid, but ran out of time (his voice from 7 years in the future came up too). I'm pretty sure few have done this or what I planed even (or even could). But if you can, do this, and there are different theory's. I'll put it in key-notes.

Plan 1.
Start race,


go back in time,
talk to running man,
go to bridge were it ends.

Plan 2.
Start race,


go back in time,
talk to running man,
go back to future,
talk to him at his tent.

Plan 3.
Same as Plan 2 but go to bridge right away.

Plan 4 (basically impossible without speed hacks)

All of Plan 2 but then go to bridge after.

I started this in Master Quest. Chances are, no one has tried this yet, because anyone who went against the running man really go's for that challenge. At least take these ideas into consideration. With whatever version you have. GC_Dark_Link | Posted 10/14/2005 10:05:49 PM | message detail Plan 2.

Start race,
go back in time,
talk to running man,
go back to future,
talk to him at his tent.

If you're still racing, then he won't be at the tent.


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CoNfUsEd GaMeR | Posted 10/15/2005 4:06:06 AM | message detail Luigi, I've tried many things with TRM, but it's worth trying them again, since one of the main themes of the earlier topics was doing things at certain times in the game..so if I try something at 12:00 and you do something at 17:00 it could get different results..who knows.

Some of my plans were similar to yours, but what I did also was go on to try and kill lots of enemies that respawn giant versions. I also tried doing stuff in the grotto that disappears, no good results yet though.


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silktail | Posted 10/15/2005 8:18:33 AM | message detail You can view it as an adult, but as someone stated it involves many things to go right, so not really worth the time.

Well that was just getting Adult Link to Past Kokiri forest. (Where the rock kid is.)


While what was wanted was a character in the Future to change. (Which is what the rest of that topic covered btw.)

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Otherwise yes, that does sound like they need to make a new code for each new character to change.

(Or at least a new code with variables to select a character. With a list of variables for each character!)

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