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"Wandra Raynor", kraynor5@embarqmail.com, C-123 S/SGt Donald D. Stewart 
C-123B 56-4376 crash location are 124855N and 1091028E
Eugene,  Thank you for all your help last fall  My daughter and I went to Vietnam last December  Thanks to you and others we were able to find the crash site of my late husband S/SGt Donald D. Stewart  I still would like to know the location and addresses of many who were stationed in the 309th Air Commando Squadron in Vietnam in 1965 stationed at Tan Son Nhut.  Particularly those that knew him as well as the children of the other crewmembers.  How would you suggest we locate them?  We had a great time in Vietnam and even found the remnants of my husband's plane.  We had a memorial service and even brought home some

Artifacts.  I know he was supposed to have been laid to rest at Arlington, but I don't think so.  His crash site did not look like it had been excavated. It was in a very remote area not accessible by car or air actually unless the Vietnamese military had taken us up to the actual crash site.  Local villagers went up and took pictures for us.  I want to go back and have a memorial service at the crash site to honor these brave men who fought and gave their life so that we might remain free.  They say we lost the war.  Well, I don't think so.  The South Vietnamese just love Americans and they are the best off they have ever been.  I was very happy to see quite a bit of American influence there.  America is back there now, but not with guns I visited a few schools and they offered me a job to come back and teach English.  My daughter and I have been bitter for many years, but we experienced peace there and plan to return.  I am planning a tour there is you know of any who would be interested in going.  It is a great place to visit.  Thanks for all your help!  This experience has really helped us release anger and I would love to help other families who are hurting if possible.   Wandra Raynor 103 S. Pleasant Street, Angier, N 27501  919 639 4259   kraynor1@earthlink.net Thanks again for all your info.  Wandra Raynor

We will put this in the ACA Newsletter. Did anyone know S/SGt Donald D. Stewart –please help?

Jim Meade, meadejr@optusnet.com.au , LS85 Memorial


A memorial unveiling of a monument honoring 19 men killed while manning a 1st Combat Evaluation Group "Combat SKYSPOT" station in Laos during the Vietnam War will be held at 3 p.m.9 Nov 2008 at the 8th Air Force Museum, just inside the Bossier (North) Gate at Barksdale Air Force Base. The unveiling will be between the museum's two display B-52 bombers. Combat SKYSPOT was "a very classified operation ..."
The unsung heroism of technicians who served as the eyes and ears for huge B-52 bombers over North Vietnam will be honored today. The 8th Air Force Museum will dedicate a marker in memory of the 19 men killed at a once-secret site called LIMA Site 85, in a most fitting place. The new marker will be between the museum's two outdoor display B-52 bombers, one a B-52D tall-tailed bomber painted in the dark-green-and-black camouflage sported by during that conflict. LIMA Site 85 was "a 'Combat SKYSPOT' location set up on a very craggy hill in Laos, a very classified operation," says Buck Rigg, the museum's director. It was operated by the 1st Combat Evaluation Group. Laos was a neutral nation at the time and the existence of the site, part of a network of radar sites whose signals allowed bomber crews to precisely locate their targets, much like today's GPS systems, was a deep and dark secret. The existence of the site was not made public until the 1980s, long after the Vietnam War ended.

A memorial to those lost at LS85 is to be dedicated in Toledo, WA by the Centralia Lions and Legion Clubs. Two of the missing was from the immediate area.



Marvin Fitts, Marvivnav@aol.com , Memories from an old AC Nav
STAINLESS STEEL FORD~1936--- for all you car aficionados
Gene; I  owned a 1935 V-8 Ford rumble seat ,soft top in 1949. Sold it in 1951 when I enlisted in the USAF in Feb. of 1951. Also, when we went to Panama in 1964-1967 I bought a 1931 Ford 2 door sedan in Panama City. Shipped it home to US when we rotated in 1967. Leroy Gliem and I picked it up at the Port of Elizabeth in NJ. It started up and we drove it to Newburgh NY. Since Stewart AFB is close to Newburgh I was able to get assigned there. That's a long story though. Flew the DEW Line which went from Newfoundland to the West coast almost. Bitter cold weather with gravel snow runways. We flew C-54's and when we landed we were pushed into a hanger so the engine oil would not freeze. The airmen and civilian tech Reps were always glad to see us. They could not do enough for us and of course the parties were outstanding. Thule AFB was also a great stop for our crew. KLM made stops at Thule also. KLM stewardess's brightened up the evening also, but that's another story too. I spent three years at Stewart and when they closed the base I went to McGuire AFB for one year flying C118's, and then retiring. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.   Have a happy,      Marv Fitts

 

"L.D. Strouse" , loongles@gmail.com, Low level flight

Ground effect is encountered at one half the wing span of the airplane, span of the rotor blades of a helicopter. Brings on another story. I was flying C-124s out of Travis. We also had a couple of C-97 squadrons. A C-97 on a passenger flight from Travis to Hickam encountered engine problems and was unable to maintain altitude. He was prepared to ditch. As he descended he suddenly picked up lift. They made it safely to the Big Island just barely above the sea. The USAF then went out over the water with various airplanes and determined that this T-effect, named after Major Tyson who was flying the C-97, was encountered at one half the airplanes wing span. This was circa 1957. It became known as ground effect. Les Strouse

I can’t believe it. October 28, 1964 U.S. officials deny any involvement in bombing of North Vietnam. U.S. T-28 airplanes flown by Thai pilots bomb and strafe North Vietnamese villages in the Mugia Pass area. North Vietnam charged publicly that U.S. personnel participated in the raids, but U.S. officials denied that any Americans were involved.

"Jim Henthorn", jim.henthorn@chancefac.net

15 Sept– at Hurlburt Air Field, the last Pave Low IV in the USAF inventory departs to go to Davis-Montham and AMARC.  There will be a burger burn at the 20th Special Operations Building and the flight will depart at 1200.  Military ID required getting on base, or riding in with someone who has one.  I have been told that cameras will be permitted for this historic occasion. Jim H




"James Sizemore", j_size58@yahoo.com
My name is James Sizemore, son of USAF Maj. James E. Sizemore, Nimrod
Pilot with the 609th SOS at NKP. Dad was killed along with USAF Maj.
Howard Andre on July 8, '69. Dad was/is listed as KIA/BNR.
I have just learned of this group from some SDIT members. I currently
live in Decatur, GA. I would like to invite everyone to take a look at
Don Vogler's web site, http//www.a-26legacy.org. We have worked hard
to establish a website dedicated to our fathers and those who flew,
navigated, repaired, fueled and loaded the A-26 at NKP. For further

details please visit the web site. I would love to hear stories about the Nimrods or if anyone knew my

Dad to let me know. You may contact me via email but if you are in the
ATL, GA area, I would enjoy hearing your NKP stories face to face.
Even if you live outside the local area just give me a call, I on
Verizon wireless at 404 217-9406. Sincerely, James Sizemore


Thanks Jim we will put this in the ACA Newsletter and you should hear from some of the guys.

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/ Have you seen this site before?  It is such a historical site for the ejection seat.  They must have taken some time to produce.


A REMINDER IN HISTORY General VoNguyen Giap.

General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader of the North Vietnam military. The following quote is from his memoirs currently found in the Vietnam War memorial in Hanoi: 'What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!' General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed what most Americans knew. The Vietnam War was not lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The exact same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media, is currently well underway. It exposes the enormous power of a Biased Media to cut out the heart and will of the American public. A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. Fear the media far more, for they will destroy your honor.

RANDALL  WADE EVERETT, rwe111@embarqmail.com

Met A Goose At 11,000 Ft.
HEY GENE ------REMINDS ME OF AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED TO ME , WHILE IN B-25 PILOT TRAINING AT VANCE AFB ,BACK IN THE FALL OF 1957-----I , ANOTHER STUDENT PILOT AND OUR INSTRUCTOR WERE ON A DAY/ NITE NAV TRAINING FLIGHT TO EL PASO AND BACK ----WE'D MADE THE DAY FLIGHT TO EL PASO ----HAD GONE OVER THE BORDER FOR SUPPER AND A BOTTLE TO TAKE HOME , AND WERE IN THE AIR AT NITE , BETWEEN 5,000 AND 8'000 FEET ----IT WAS MY TURN DOWN IN THE PLEXIGLASS NOSE TO MAP READ -----SUDDENLY , THERE WAS A LOUD CRASH , AND I WAS INSTANTLY COVERED IN BLOOD , GUTS , AND SHIT, AND SHOCKED WITLESS ; AND IT GOT TREMENDOULY COLD -----MY HEADPHONES HAD FLOWN OFF , AND WHEN I PUT THEM BACK ON , THE INSTUCTOR WAS SCREAMING DOWN AT ME , WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL HAD HAPPENED -----I TOLD HIM I WASN'T SURE , BUT WE MUST HAVE HIT SOMETHING , AND I WAS FREEZING -----SO, HE TOLD ME TO GET MY ASS UP TOP , AND SINCE THERE WAS NO OTHER REAL DAMAGE , WE FLEW ON UP TO VANCE -----I NEVER QUITE KNEW WHAT WE HIT , BUT WE WERE FLYING RIGHT ALONG , OR THROUGH A WINTER MIGRATION FLYWAY -----THER ARE PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF STORIES LIKE THAT ----WADE

US SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES by the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. This book was copyrighted in 2003 and printed in China. It is the first Special operations book that gives the AF Special Operations from WWII to the present a fair shake. The article on the Air commandos is quite good and has all our heroes mentioned except BG Benjamin King. It is a big book and is a coffee table book and costs $19.00 at Barnes and Nobles. This is the first time I have seen this in the bookstores and bought one immediately. I will contact the SO Warrior Foundation and see why King was left out.\


    AF Assignment to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the early 1960s and 1970swhen we weren’t there is really hurting some of our members. The ACA needs to send a petition paper to the Air Staff to help our people. More will follow on this if the ACA does or doesn’t try to do something about this long standing problem hurting our members who can’t get VA support because their orders doesn’t say they were in those countries. .

    Aircommando1@earthlink.net. This is my email and for some reason people have gotten an email address I don’t use.

Eugene D. Rossel

Tel 909-591-7342 Home, Fax 909-930-5710

E-mail aircommando1@earthlink.net

Web site http://home.earthlink.net/~aircommando1/

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