Karl Lentz Transcripts of calls from 11-8-12 to 8-16-14



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11-15-12

my private audio Karl Lentz


34: difference between constitution and bill of rights
1:01 you want a trial by jury article 7.
1:08 only want to hear a common law court of record, the only one protected by the US.
They’re not defendants, they are wrongdoers.
1:14 i use the IRS in my favor.
1:20 everything they come at me with I automatically say back you are interfering with a right to blank and you fill in the blank.
1:23 first thing I do cease and desist letter, stop interfering with my right to do whatever and I am going to charge you so much per day for interfering

letter goes to whoever is doing you wrong. The judge.

You can put that in the notice too; if [don't say 'if'] you don’t respond within x days you acquiesce to all terms and conditions of this notice. And if they continue say I am sorry we couldn't settle this on the private side

but looks like you have given me no choice but I am going to have to invoke my 9th article and [7th article?] under the bill of rights to invoke a common law jury trial against you.

How do you say that in another letter?

Yes. However many days go by that you set...you could claim a wrong from 100 years ago.

The judicial act of 1793 section 31 says that your descendants can pick up your claim if you die. Man can’t be lached. No statute of limitation.

They bound themselves. You don’t.

1:34gave fed has 6 months to answer. [gave time lengths for ea agency in 9/19/13 call]

How he deals with them; [type this]


they’re saying I owe a debt.

Only a man can make a claim. Not an attorney who would be filing a false claim.


1:48 I’d send it to the judge, to the judicial review board of the state, and to the circuit court judge as well. You have got an out of control judge here.

[type this]


1:59[type this]
2:03 dismiss versus discharge. Discharge they can’t use it as a form of acceptance to create credit for their county or the state.

Dismissal leaves it on record

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11-15-12

11-15-12 my private audio karl lentz


11: title 28 sec two thousand two hundred and one, creation of a remedy

13: just write a letter to the head clerk of the court, the head judge is the head clerk in your district and you wish for the legal and lawful findings in fact and conclusions in law you could ask them a simple questions as; does a corporation have a right to tax my property and order me to pay their debt they claim is now due or can only a government lay a tax upon its citizens, or because i reside within a corporate township am i now a corporate citizen or one of its subjects? Just tell the judge that. Its that simple. You don’t have to make these things 800 pages long. And the judge has to give you an answer. And if you don’t like it you could give them the old platsky versus cia, the judge cant dismiss anything you bring into his court.

14: platsky versus cia 1991 a man suing cia for info they had on him and they wouldnt release it. The fed court threw out his claim all the time, 12 b 6. supreme court said no that district court cannot 12 b 6 you if you are not competent in the law, if you’re an idiot, if you don’t understand legalese the judge has got to walk you thru it.

You’ve got to help this man stylize his pleading so that it can proceed thru your court. They say we cant give you legal advice. Do platsky v cia on them.

18: arent you afraid of giving people legal advice? no. supreme court ruling connelly v dixon 1957; litigants can be assisted by unlicensed layman during judicial proceedings. If you ask me my opinion i will give you my opinion. Legal disclaimer; we are not here to give legal advice. Good. I’m here to give lawful advice. I'll give you my lawful opinion.
21: prosecutor; one who pursues or carries on any purpose, plan or business. I don’t use pro se, its a term of art. I want to get away from legalese. I want to drag them into a court of law. I don’t want to deal with administrative hearings. I just want man against man. I just want a court of record. I don’t want to deal with legalese [cause] theyll run me over like a freight train.

Caller: comes now the injured party...

the aggrieved party. I believe aggrieved just means somebody who is seeking to reclaim rights that were taken from them wrongly.

Aggrieved party; an individual who is entitled to commence a lawsuit against another because his or her legal rights have been violated.

Aggrieved party; a person whos financial interest is directly affected by a decree, an order, a judgment or statute, and is also considered an aggrieved party entitled to bring an action challenging the legality of the decree, an order, a judgment or statute.

A lot of attorneys put in affidavits in the filings. They can put in whatever they want on paper because its useless. Who is going to stand in open court under oath or affirmation and swear that that piece of paper is true?

You see in open court is where you nail the attorneys.

Caller: so the certify at the bottom of the affidavit is insufficient?

From an attorney? They only certify they don’t verify. Verify comes from your voice. They only certify. The bottom of my lawsuit i verify which means i will stand in open court under oath or affirmation, put my hand on the bible and i will verify that everything on that paper is true.


32: ive always had a precipe day, a pre trial hearing, where i lay all the rules out for everybody to understand. So the judge knows the rules, the other side knows the rules, this is how were gonna play this game and this is how we run it. So when we go to trial i got rid of all the BS now we only got 2 matters in controversy, we had like 30. we settled it in a pre hearing trial. If you’re going to go to a bankruptcy thing the best thing for you to do is ask for a precipe day which means pre trial day. Get all of the big nonsense out of the way. And if there is just one thing that you cant work out in the judges chambers that’s just between you, the judge and the other party, you know what, lets take it before a jury. We are going before a common law court of record. Only the injured party gets to speak. You are going to have to bring the injured man here. An attorney cant speak. Those are the rules. I’m relying on the 9th amendment as a bill of rights, united states constitution article 9 and article 7. there is no such thing as the 7th amendment. There is no such thing as the 9th amendment. The articles are the bill of rights.

But when you say 7th and 9th [amendments] the judge knows you really don’t know what you are talking about. So you say the bill of rights of the united states constitution article 7, he knows you’re talking about a trial by jury. Not a jury trial, but a trial by jury. And if you say i have rights inalienable inherent rights given to me by god under the bill of rights under the united states constitution article 9, he will know what you’re talking about.

34: difference between constitution and bill of rights

37: caller, i beat the irs with a jury trial.
42: if you confess you’re a convict and you still hold all your rights as a man in the public and society, you still maintain your rights. If the jury comes down with a guilty verdict you are attainted. You lose all your rights to property all your rights as citizen
46: what do you think about tami pepperman? The 1066 and cestue qui...

i stay away from all that stuff... any type of trust, there could be eighteen thousand trusts out there with my name on it. As a beneficiary, i have no right to know when I’m a beneficiary. I have no right to know how they’re using my name in that trust, why I’m in that trust or what is required of me to obtain a benefit. So just because somebody says Oh cestue qui trust i just laugh. Anybody can create a document with my name on it but just because they offered me this document like this birth certificate, do i have to accept this gift that is going to cause me harm and injury? Do i have to accept an eight hundred pound gorilla that’s hungry?

58: ...you want a benefit from social security? Well then you better believe you got to take them into administrative hearing. You have no right... the supreme court made a couple of rulings on people who tried to drag ss into common law courts back in the sixties. The sc said you have no right to that trust, no right to that fund, no right to that social security act, that is not yours. Everybody wanted to believe its theirs but no, you’re the beneficiary. You’re not the trustee, or trustor. You’re just the beneficiary and you could be denied at any time.

[[im just the grantor. Gee, a thousand dollars a year not taken from me might have made all the difference, but guess well never know. How is returning my property a benefit? This is where we use the 'it aint me' letter]]

1:01 magistrate is just a guy who filled the wine glasses at the kings court.

1:01you want a trial by jury article 7.

1:02 when somebody gives you an order to do something you have to ask them what gives you the authority to order me about? Like when did i give up...


1:03 anytime you’re a defendant you have to realize you have absolutely no rights. You have to file a claim against the other party that they’re interfering with your rights to a trial by jury or they’re interfering with your rights to have a common law court of record trial proceeding over this matter...

you sue them for stepping outside of their scope of authority.

I don’t say fancy words like adversarial proceedings. I just say you are doing me wrong. You are interfering with my right. Stop interfering with my right or I’m going to drag your butt into a common law court of record and I’m going to be compensated for every second you’re interfering with my right and I’m going to charge you a dollar a second and right now were up to 8 million seconds.
1:05 you’re still using the words bankruptcy court. I don’t move under any other court...youll never get an answer from me...i will never file any motion, pleading, petition any answer in anything other than a common law court of record. That is the only court that i believe has the authority to judge me because nobody else has got the power other than 12 people to judge me. The man in the black robe is a magistrate. He is not a judge. In america we call them judges for some reason i don’t know. In england they’re called magistrates... in this country we got it backwards.

Wait a second. Can i appeal this? Yes. Well then I’m not in a common law court of record.

Is that not what a newspaper notice is?

That’s not fair, nobody reads paper anymore. I just tell them straight up, you are interfering with my rights, i want a common law trial by jury. Is there some reason why you have some lawful excuse why i cant evoke the 9th article of the bill of rights and get myself in front of a jury? I don’t care what you try to use to try to deny it. You cant interfere with the rights of man. You’re here to protect the rights of man... if i hear anything other than common law court of record you’re interfering with my rights. a common law court of record is the only court that the united states supreme court protects and secures for the rights of the people. It is the only one court protected by the united states. Is there any reason that i cant have what the constitution secures and protects for me?

1:08 only want to hear a common law court of record, the only one protected by the us.

They’re not defendants, they are wrongdoers.
1:09 how do i change my standing [as defendant] in bankruptcy case?

Start a whole new case. They’re not defendants, they’re wrong doers, i want compensation.


1:14i use the IRS in my favor.

1:14 irs has a very good specific job in society and i never attack the irs personally because they always work in my benefit. If you don’t know how to use the irs to your benefit your going to hate them.

1:20everything they come at me with I automatically say back you are interfering with a right to blank and you fill in the blank.
1:23 first thing I do -cease and desist letter, stop interfering with my right to do whatever and I am going to charge you so much per day for interfering

letter goes to who ever is doing you wrong. The judge.

You can put that in the notice too; if [don't say 'if'] you don’t respond within x days you acquiesce to all terms and conditions of this notice. And if they continue say I’m sorry we couldn't settle this on the private side

But looks like you’ve given me no choice but I am going to have to invoke my 9th article and [7th article?] under the bill of rights to invoke a common law jury trial against you.

How do you say that in another letter?

Yes. However many days go by that you set...you could claim a wrong from 100 years ago.


The judicial act of 1793 section 31 says that your descendants can pick up your claim if you die. Man cant be lached. No statute of limitation.

They bound themselves. You don’t.

1:33 do you have a template or an example of interfering with my rights?

Im trying to remember what i gave the state of alabama. I gave them something extremely simple. I said this is the evidence I’m going to use against you in a court. This is prima facia evidence. This evidence will stand undisputed you will not be able to answer to this in a court of record. I said if i was you id make a settlement with me as soon as possible. Said something nice and gentle like that. And then i let 6 months go by cause i was basically relying on a federal court claim act of 1947 where the fed has 6 months to answer. [gave time lengths for ea agency in 9/19/13 call]

How he deals with them; [type this]because they say well were a huge bureaucracy and it takes us a long time. And i was in no hurry. I was doing up my case and learning the law a lot better than i was. So in 6 months i said is there any reason why you failed to answer? And they just said we don’t believe we owe you any money..it was a funny answer they gave me. I loved the answer they gave me. The dhl [dept of homeland security] which is like cps or the dept of human resources does not believe you have a claim. Ooh good, they said i had a claim cause that’s how i refer to it, a claim is a common law word, a claim. Like i staked a claim for gold.

1:35 agents of DHR denied claim and acted as if DHR was a man. They refused claim and said sue me.

Dhl will not be paying you any money or giving you any relief. If you feel (oh good, only man can feel) that you have a claim you should feel free to pursue your complaint in a court of law.

Oh my god. So if they try to dispute anything in a common law court of record a court of law is a common law court of record. Its not a court of equity. there’s 2 courts in this country a court of law and a court of equity. And a court of law is a common law court. So holy cow the state attorneys office sent me this letter like 6 months ago. They don’t believe i have a claim. Oh good, they don’t believe? No, they cant believe. They can only maintain. Only man can have a belief. The state can maintain, but they cant believe anything.


Then it says dhl will not be paying you any money. Oh good, so they must think they have something of value i want. Well as far as i know the dhl doesnt have a printing press, they cant create any money, so i don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.

Then it says; If you feel that you have a claim you should feel free to pursue your complaint in a court of record. So they just said they will no longer be talking to me on the administrative side. It will be quote; contact between me and you on a private side to remedy this matter outside of a court of law. So they’re telling me take me to a court of law. Okay I’m going to grant you your wish. You want to go to a court of law? Holy cow buddy. Do you realize what you just wished for? Were going to take you to a court of law. And the only person who can speak in there is the governor himself, the attorney general hisself and the trustee of the insurance fund of the risk management of the general liability trust fund whos holding my money from me cause i claimed as a beneficiary of that fund cause ive been injured because of those wrongdoers i demanded X amount of dollars and that trustee is holding up my payment and he has no legitimate authority or lawful authority to deny my claim. I proposed him a claim. I told him the evidence. I gave him exactly why, I’m a beneficiary, gimme it. He said no, not without a court order. I said oh wonderful, so you want a court order. He said yes. I said buddy, in a common law court of record who creates the orders? He said what? I said the prosecutor does. The plaintiff creates the orders. Do you want an order? You’re going to love this order. And then i gave him an order. The orders are in there. Some guy named tom murphy read me the orders. Oh boy i love your orders they’re only one sentence long. I said damn right. You’re making an order to the waitress at dennys you’re going to say give me pancakes, sausage and a biscuit. You’re not going to give her 800 pages of how you want the biscuit made, or kill a cow, or shake the chaff off the wheat. You make it simple. Tell it to the clerk, now hand it to the state. They know how to say I’m not going to grant this man...carry out this mans order. Good. Lets set this for a jury trial. Yay, lets go. That’s your answer? Okay lets get this show on the road. You want to have a precipe day? You want a prehearing day? You want to get the matter of controversy out of the way? Lets do this. On day 22 were going to be sitting in front of the jury. You ready to go? Lets go. And that’s how i deal with them.

they’re saying I owe a debt.

Only a man can make a claim. Not an attorney who would be filing a false claim.


1:38 caller; you were going after them for money. Now they’re coming after you for money. How would i fashion that letter interfering with my rights if they’re coming after me?

How do they believe that you owe them a debt? Who is claiming you owe them a debt?

The attorney for the plaintiff. Its a tax bill.

Okay, the attorney cant make a claim. Only a man can make a claim.

they’re saying I owe a debt.

Only a man can make a claim. Not an attorney who would be filing a false claim.

So what would the letter say?

So whos making a claim that you owe money? If its an attorney they’re filing a false claim, because an attorney cant make a claim. If that’s the only instrument on record before a court i don’t care what kind of court it is...

a complaint? Is that a claim?

Yes, hes making a claim right? If somebody is making a claim; ms new jersey owes xy and z money. Xy and z is going to have to come to open court put their hand on a bible and swear under oath or affirmation that you owe them money.

You said the first letter is to the judge.

I said if the judge is interfering with your right to... whoever is interfering with your rights you tell them to stop interfering with your right. It could be the right to relation, the right to free association, the right to carry a gun, the right to a jury trial. So the letters, just fill in the blank. Whoever is doing you wrong. Say you are interfering with my right to carry a gun, etc... my stuff is addressed to anybody. My stuff isnt case specific, one to the judge, one the mortgage company, irs, etc.. this is what you do to everybody. You fill in the blank. You put it in the paperwork way before you walk into the courtroom.

You say to the judge i didn’t get an answer back from you. I expected an answer in 3 days. I told you in my notice that if we don’t do a jury trial you are interfering with my rights. Are you trying to have a hearing now today and you’re still going to try to conduct this matter without a jury present?

Yes.

Well then I’m sorry mam, i don’t know how to explain this to you, you’re still interfering with my rights and i don’t know how you’re going to proceed in this matter when i clearly established the rules as i the prosecutor said that i will move a claim through your court. I am not coming in as a freaking defendant!



You guys gotta stop saying you’re a defendant all the time. The defendant cant... there’s nothing in the rules where a defendant wins money. The defendant always loses money or he breaks even. He never wins anything. Why do i always want to be the loser? I don’t ever want to go into a game of chess or monopoly where the best i could do is lose. I don’t want to play. What’s in it for me? I don’t see a reason for me to be here. You know what, I’m going to make a reason for me to be here. I’m going to be the winner. Somehow I’m going to win or I’m not going to play. So you’re interfering with my right to a jury trial. Okay, somebody is claiming i owe them a debt. Who is claiming the debt? An attorney cant make a claim. He cant claim anything. He has no idea what went on between me and the other party. He wasnt there. He doesnt know what we agreed to or how we made the terms and conditions. He has no clue. Hes coming in as a third... hes coming in.. so far at the end of this matter its scary. He has no clue what’s going on and I’m not going to sit here and explain.. turn state witness on myself and explain what actually happened between me and the supposed person who claims i owe him a debt. Let the plaintiff bring forth that information themselves and swear to it.

Can i tell the judge the attorney cant swear?

You told the judge in writing this right? Cause you are not opening your mouth to the judge right? Or established that you are never going to open your mouth to the judge right?

How can i tell them they’re proceeding against me if I’m not in court? You are having a hearing and I’m supposed to go into court and say you are still interfering with my right to a jury trial right cause you are having a hearing cause this is all in writing now right?

You put it all in writing. If you go to court and read word for word what you wrote, judge what don’t you understand in this thing? I said i will appear when i see a jury present. I do not see a jury present. I will not be appearing today. You are interfering with my right to a jury trial. That’s what it says right here on line number 2. are you still interfering with my right to a jury trial? You ask the judge. Then there is no reason for me to be here today. What is the purpose of this matter, this hearing today? Because i don’t know how you are going to move when you are in violation of the law. You are breaking the law judge. You are interfering with my right. You cant do that. You cant step outside the scope of your authority. You took an oath of office. You have to obey a certain set of rules. Because we have already established the fact that she is a judge and she took an oath of office under title 28 if you’re going to a federal court judge or title 4 or 5, or under article 6 or 3 where every state judge or employee has to take an oath of office to be bound to the constitution. Tell the judge are you breaking your oath are you breaking your promise are you breaking your word, you contracted with the people you would abide by the constitution. Are you telling everyone in this court room that you are not bound by the constitution and that you feel that you can breach your contract with the people? And I’m just supposed to accept that? Is that what you wish to have happen today? But you put everything in freaking writing.

Theres no way in the world the judge is going to allow you...like i say when i do that to them they all recuse themselves in the prehearing trial because they said holy cow! I am not going to get in this court room with this crazy guy karl because hes going to tear me up. Hes tearing me up in my own chambers.

Im certainly not going to let him put me on a public display and tear me a new hole. I’m going to recuse myself...i went to grade school with this person. My sister had a barbecue with them last week. I’m going to recuse myself. Every judge i go in front of they all recuse themselves at the preliminary hearing in their chambers because you put them on the spot there, in their chambers. You set up a preliminary hearing date. a precipe day. That’s how you nail all these judges. You don’t wait till open court. That’s crazy. That’s suicide. You put them all in their place in writing. You ask for a preliminary trial. You establish the rules. This is how I’m going to appear. This is how i want them to appear. That’s where i want the jury to sit... its your case. Like packing a suit case. I want my socks over here, my tissues over here. This is my case. my case and my suit is going to be put on in front of the jury and they’re going to determine the merits of my suit. … once you know how to play it its fun.

Caller: so i say you’re interfering with my rights to a trial by jury. And that’s only 1 line. That’s it, that all i say?




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