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12-6-12

my private audio episode 191 @ talkshoe com guest Karl Lentz (comes on 1h28m)

[garbled words/comments in brackets]

1:26 i filed a claim of conusance - consuance.

1:28 That’s how you establish jurisdiction... they try to move jurisdiction but then it goes back. You won’t understand it if read in a dictionary. In 1828 it was considered obsolete.

1:28 “...a claim of conusance because that’s how you establish jurisdiction, retain jurisdiction, they try to move jurisdiction you claim conusance and it goes back... if you try to read it out of a dictionary you’re going to have no clue what it means because in 1828 it was considered obsolete, so all a claim of conusance is; say the king of england has somebody in his court, say the queen's maid and she runs off to france to hide, so they find the person of the court hanging out in france, so they try to hide out in the king of france household. The king [of england] finds out and say i demand that my subject my property comes back to my control back to my jurisdiction back to my castle. He is claiming a claim of conusance. you can follow on pacer i filed into the federal district court of the united states , the judge who was assigned to it, as a presider, the presider assigned a magistrate, the magistrate decided to take my district court of the united states and convert it into a united states district court USDC. Now the judge did it correctly. He assigned the magistrate through the caption that said district court of the united states which is the same exact way i stylized it. When the magistrate got control of it all of a sudden he changed the caption to read the united states district court USDC which is only a court of jurisdiction under the code and can only abide by certain codes. you cant bring any law into the united states district court it has to be under some sort of title code. That’s what the man was talking about earlier, he was saying nature. Nature means the title code [as in what is the nature of this case]. So i said i am not making a title code claim because there is no remedy or relief in your codes for me on the claim that I’m making. So please put it back to the district court in which i filed the original jurisdiction in. that’s a claim of conusance [which he is pronouncing consuance]. So i went around and around with the clerk of the court today, she had no clue what i was talking about. I talked to the magistrate he had no clue but the head judge he knew exactly what i was talking about, he says mr Lentz, you’re very learned in the law.

I said that’s why you see me attacking these people like a pit bull. Every time i see you people doing something wrong, i see the order on pacer. Do you want me to tell you how many different reasons that order is wrong?


He says why?

Karl says:

Its the wrong jurisdiction

its not signed, its robo signed

its not sealed

its not time stamped

its not file stamped

its not verified

and you didn’t send it out certified to me

and it never went to the clerk of the court's office

and he doesn’t have the scope of authority to issue orders, he is a magistrate, he is independent of the tribunal.

That’s how many different ways i could describe that’s a void order.
I said now lift that order off my suit cause its damaging my suit, its impairing my suit, its putting wrinkles on my golden suit. Leave my suit alone. Stop trying to modify it. Stop altering, tampering with it and stop trying to modify it.
He said the court will take it under advisement. I said i will move like lightening and sue all of youse.

You are interfering with my rights because they’re administrating my property without right. See because the judge ordered it, he said all the magistrate said in the order was the court has concerns about propriety.

All propriety means you’re disputing whether i own my claim or the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT owns my claim. Let me make it simple. I own Karl’s claim. Unless a man comes forth and makes a claim under an affirmation in open court you keep your hands off my case. My case is going to go before a jury and nobody else is allowed to review it. He says well were just going to read it and see if it has any merit.

I said don’t even try it because only my case goes before the jury. The jury gets to determine the merits. If you try to dismiss my case cause it lacks merit I am going to be all over you in half a heart beat with lawsuits. I am not going to a circuit court or 11th court of appeal. I am not doing any of that nonsense. I am going to sue you. So I am giving you fair warning.

So what happened?

I just got off the phone with him 2 hours ago. I recorded everything.

Somebody changed my claim into a complaint. If you file a complaint with the court they get to determine the merits. When you have a claim in court only the jury gets to determine the facts of your claim. You can let the judge determine if you think you can work with him but i don’t trust any judge.

1:36 Blackstone's Commentary section 378 Jury - Tribunal - Magistrate

1:34 i will sue for administrating property without rights. Somebody changed my claim into a complaint.

The difference between claim and complaint;

((Editor Note – Claim should be based on agreed facts which can only be had by giving due process. Proper notice and creation of agreements removes controversy. Have the proof in hand when making a claim. No controversy. No need for jury (yet). ))

1:39 that’s the Erie case from 1938, the fed GOVERNMENT can only hear the matter once in one state. [He tried in Pennsylvania but can’t sue utility there, attorney said we can sue and win in new York, he tried and didn’t]. No illuminati nonsense, no global birth certificate nonsense.

A rule is just court’s opinion. Courts can’t make laws. Congress makes laws. If you come into court as pro se etc then you have to follow their rules.

The United States and federal do not mean the same thing. Federal is a Hebrew word just means alliance.

The United States is a noun. Federal is an adjective, it’s not a noun.

1:40 Mortgage, Credit Cards, etc in court... We do not swear, testify (balls) To preserve the record and get it ready for an appeal, I would like to swear in an oath of affirmation in open court that everything I’m saying is going to be true so that we establish right now that this is going to be testimony and can be used in an appeal. (Fudge accepts your statement) (Now you state) If anybody on the other side, who wants to enter into Testimony into this matter, let him now speak, come forth and testify under oath of affirmation that all he is saying be true. (The attorneys can not testify)
1:43 federal definition
1:46 mortgage, debt clayton cherry -discharging a debt? I think it’s wonderful. What kind of debt?

It’s very easy to deal with any kind of debt.


Anytime anybody brings you before the judge you say; to preserve the record and get it ready for appeal i would like to swear in under oath or affirmation to open court that everything I am saying is going to be true. So that way we establish right now that this is going to be testimony that can be used in an appeal. And the judge will say okay i accept that. Now anybody on the other side who wants enter testimony to this matter let him now come forth and testify swear under oath or affirmation that all he is saying will be true. And an attorney can’t come forth and testify. Attorneys sit down unless you have firsthand knowledge.

Accepted for value stuff. But the only bad thing about doing that all the time is... this is that accepted for value nonsense, that man, Winston Shrout, the only bad thing about his beliefs... well they’re great, you could discharge all the debt this way..the only problem is when you go to get a new cell phone contract or if you try to get your lights turned on they’re gonna make you put up a thousand, two thousand dollar deposit when you go to another apartment because it’s going to destroy your credit rating. Will you get out of that debt? Yes, one time. You better pick a good one like your mortgage. You’ll need to put a deposit for phone, etc. If you want to do a4v realize the 2 dimensional world is not going to let you back in. [i would not agree that accepted for value is acceptance/admission of debt or being a debtor]

Because of the forced benefit of Federal Reserve notes we can’t pay for anything, we just discharge it.

Based on the labor of the people and good faith and credit, our signature should be enough.

There’s other ways to discharge the debt other than accepted for value. I said discharge the debt by going in there and saying is there a man going to come here and verify that debt. If there is no man going to verify the debt because I am not claiming I am a debtor. Just do that.

1:56 debt is there anyone come here an verify the debt. I am not claiming I am a debtor.

Will other side swear under oath and affirmation

I present me and my case to the court.

Do they have first hand knowledge?



discharge and dismiss difference
1:57 court case - that attorney cannot testify evidence
1:57:50 Anybody have any first hand knowledge that I owe a debt to anybody? Where is the injured party?

Can anybody come here under oath or affirmation that I owe a debt?

Anybody I owe a debt?

Verify = spoken word

Certify = written

No, not proof of claim - get a bunch of papers. Get spoken verifiable. Knock attorney's out.

Magic word = verify. Verified proof of claim. I conditionally accepted that I owe a debt upon verified proof of claim.

1:58 verified mans the spoken word. Certified means a piece of paper.
2:01 Pleading = begging. Is there a verified claim before this court? yes or no. is the "verifier" here?

Give me 3 days to settle. If not I will charge $10,000 if dragged back in.

I will answer the court in writing. I would write "Is there a verified claim? Will the plaintiff appear"?
2:00 i conditionally accept upon verified proof of claim. You can stop right there.

How you going to plead guilty, not guilty or no contest?

May i have pen and paper?

Judge screaming.

May i have use of pen and paper? I will answer the court on paper that way it’s on the record. That way it won’t be ambiguous and you will know exactly what I am saying. And all I am gonna present to a magistrate at an arrangement is; is there a verifiable claim before this court? Is the claim verified? Will the verifier be appearing today? If the verifier will not appear today i move we dismiss this thing withOUT prejudice, I’ll come back the rest of my life if somebody will come forth with a verified claim. But until then leave me alone. And if i get dragged back into court again I am going to charge you ten thousand dollars.


Judge screaming that’s not what i said, guilty not guilty or no contest.

I already gave the court my answer. To plead means you are begging to a higher authority.
2:05 well the whole trick is you want to get in & out of court as fast as you can. You just want to say; is there a verified claim and will there be a verifier? And the state will never have anybody come forth and verify a cocaine possession against them. So Gordon Hall says do you have a driver’s license? No i have a commercial license. He’s just making fun of me because i have a commercial license... why should i give it up because when they give me a ticket for driving a car it doesn’t affect my driving record or insurance policy cause i got it under a commercial license. He says well that makes you a citizen sir!

This has nothing to do with the verified claim on the day the magistrate is charging me with a crime. If the magistrate has a verified claim i don’t care if I am the man from mars or if i have a birth certificate. Is there somebody here that is going to verify the complaint against me? Yes or no? [judge screaming] well you got a driver’s license don’t you?! Sir, that has nothing to do….... Is there going to be somebody in this court to verify the claim that is before the court at this time?

What does having a driver, or pilot or astronaut license have to do with me entering a plea before a court? I am not going to plead to the court.

I’m going to wait for a verified claim. And i will have the charges dismissed which means they can come back without prejudice. That means I am open to anybody’s claim for the rest of my life.

Is the verifier in court? He is? I had no proper/prior notice. May i please have 72 hours to try to settle this debt with that man who’s verifying that claim against me? If i knew i hurt this man i would have settled with him.

2:08 codes and statutes? Oh you better believe i shattered those things. My rap sheet hits the floor and rolls. There are no convictions on any of them because i always say who is going to verify this claim?
2:10 $300 or 30 days in jail. I can only pay 5 dollars a week; that is the best i can do [and do not negotiate].

He said okay. Judges will work with you. … The courts have to accept your offer. [listen to this negotiation explanation]


2:14 what makes a verified claim? A man with firsthand knowledge of his harm and loss testifying under oath that a particular man or woman identified by word and sight caused the harm and loss.

mans word. The mans word. My word is my bond. When you make a verified claim another man is going to have to come forth and say that you’re making a claim that’s not true, not a false claim, [must say] its not true. And then he has got to convince either the man in the black robe or the 12 people who are judges, who is telling the truth [goes on awhile. Good info]

2:19 DNA is circumstantial... How did it get there? When did it get there? Do you swear it is indeed mine or just a statistical probability? So you do not really know do you?

2:20 like having cocaine in your car. Somebody from the state is going to have to come forth and say because you have 100 pounds of cocaine in your car it caused you an injury or harm or breach of contract because it was their car and you made an agreement not to put any more cocaine in your trunk. If there’s no injured party the state has no standing against you because nobody here is going to verify that because you had 100 lbs of coke in your car they were injured. They suffered a loss. Who is the injured party? Who am i going to make this up to? You gotta give me a remedy. You gotta give me some way to say I am sorry to who i trespassed against. You can’t just make up all these silly rules, because next you will say just walking out my door is a criminal act. You gotta say because I am doing something is actually causing a direct harm to somebody and its gotta be verified.

2:25 they’re not putting the notices on my record. If they don’t stop doing that i have to sue them in their own individual capacity because they’re hurting me as a man and I am talking to them man to man, stop doing what you’re doing. I don’t care what hat they’re wearing. I don’t care if they’re calling themselves judge or magistrate, you are a man and i am a man and by you denying me my right to access this court and move my claim thru this court... don’t interfere with my process.
2:27:10 title 42 with 12b6 training video clerk of courts 1980's
2:28 personal injury vs civil rights claim

file title 360 personal injury tort claim not civil rights

360 Other Personal Injury

http://www.pacer.gov/documents/natsuit.pdf

2:31 the IRS is going to send you a bill? If you want to dispute this...the burden of proof is on you as plaintiff that you don’t owe taxes.

Fill out W4, write exempt at the bottom, keep the original. I believe I am exempt.

Mam can you put down the exact number i owe and sign it. She said i can’t do that. You just told him he owes $X. if he believes he owes it, he owes it.

Caller: the IRS called my employer and said we are not accepting exempt anymore and they started taking withhold again.

I can hold the original W4 signed exempt up in court. Tax man is going to have to swear i do.

2:40: That don’t stop them from taking it. Once i inform them i am going to sue then they’re liable when they took it. I told them to validate the debt and they didn’t. And i told them validate it under penalty of perjury in front of the court clerk which is a notary.

You told them to validate the debt. Did you tell them to validate that you owe a tax?

No i reversed it on them. I said the debt is owed to me. They have to prove that it’s not owed to me. Give me proof of numbers and off the name and off the bond numbers off the birth certificate and everything else and if you fail to do it and you don’t do it you acquiesce and prove the fraud and estoppel.

You have to come to court and prove that my status of being exempt is not true. That’s what i would say just prove my status of being exempt is not true. I claim that i am exempt. Who is going to claim in court that I am not exempt? That’s the burden of proof on them.

They took money out of the bank [and sold stock?] without a court order. I filed claim with the county sheriff.

This is how the IRS works. They send you a letter. You got 3 days to respond. In 10 days your bank accounts are seized and there are all liens on your property and you gotta battle them for the next hundred years to try to get that stuff back. So that’s the whole thing like Angela says conditional acceptance. So you have got to move like lightening. You have 72 hours to get back to them. If you get it Friday it has to be back by Monday.

I accepted it under TILA on the 4th day.

There is nothing on the planet that is going to reverse their beliefs that they can do this to you in 72 hours.

I say I am going to sue you and they say no you can’t we're immune. I said no, now that i told you I am going to sue you; you are liable on your own personal liability.

But you have to be the person who penned it.

You can do it on both of them. The agent and...because now its constructive fraud because you have 2 parties taking your property.

Yeah i guess that’s conspiracy against something.

They’re the withholding agent and they’re conspiring with the IRS under the fraud. ...both of them to validate the debt and they don’t validate it and they take it anyhow, now they’re constructive fraud.

It all depends on how you filed your W4 at first

... I was retired there was no W4 needed. There was aW8 ben and that shows you’re exempt.

2:45 W8 ben, 8 is recreation. What’s the ben stand for? Sons of. Sons of Moses, sons of god.

When you put in a w8 ben it’s a new creation. Not in their jurisdiction they’re foreign to them.

Someone said to send it to Pennsylvania and i wondered if he lived there.

I lived in Ohio and sent it to Cincinnati and they sent it back.

On the chat board; w8 ben is for benefits.

No that’s not true.

2:48 everybody says the code says this, the supreme court rules this, etc.

That’s fine. Use their codes, citations, statutes, but what you say is;


i believe that you do not have the right to interfere with my property.
Not only is that my belief I am gonna support my belief on your statutes, citations and codes also support my claim.

So make their statutes, citations and codes support your claim.

Don’t make your claim based on their statutes, citations, and codes because you can’t use another man’s word for your word. your word is your word and your word alone.

If you’re going to use their statutes, codes and rules and citations then you’re just trying to interpret somebody else's word. It’s not your word.

So when you make a claim make it in your word and make it one or two sentences and then bombard them with ten thousand citations.

but make your claim in your words and your words alone.
That’s my opinion.

make your claim, and then state the supporting facts behind it.

but make your claim

because only another man can come to court and dispute your claim.

nobody else can come to court and dispute your claim but another man,

and then the show is on in front of a jury and i explained all that already.

send me that training vid to keep all the pro se litigant over to the civil

rights title 42, 1983 side so we can 12b6 em.

Call ends 2h52m

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my private audio [# 199] at talkshoe. com Karl Lentz

3: how can you convert a personal injury claim over to a civil rights claim?

I didn’t file a 440, i filed a 360 personal injury claim.

Well we file everything under complaints. We don’t do claims.

Then why do you have the option available?

Well nobody ever picks that one. Everybody always picks title 42 sec 1983 complaints.

I don’t fit in that special protected class of citizens...im not in a wheelchair. You have to be discriminated against i told em. It has to be like handicapped, a woman, your race, sexual orientation, or religion. I don’t fit in any of those.

How can you convert a personal injury claim over to a civil rights claim?

So I wrote an order to the clerk of the court bring me back over to the common law side of the court, that’s the claim of consuance, and don’t practice law by rearranging my documents.

The clerk of the court does not like being told they can’t practice law. They said i was having inappropriate communications with the court. The court felt threatened.


10: showed the Marshalls right on their web site what does it say? US GOVERNMENT web site says;

all federal courts are article 3 courts under the constitution. That’s common law.

And I am in a federal court and they keep trying to bounce me to a UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT and i keep telling them stop doing that.

The judge is filling things out under the district court and the magistrate is writing orders under the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT.

I told the US Marshalls; what does it say on your web site;

all state courts are common law courts. And what does it say down here; all federal courts are courts of record. Here’s the dictionary on court of record; court of record is only only only under the common law. All federal district courts are created under article 3 of the constitution. All courts are common law courts. And all courts of record only move under common law. What seems to be the problem with me filing a common law tort claim for an injury for harm? For some reason they keep converting this over to civil rights. I don’t fit into that category, I am not black, I am not gay, I am not Jewish.


Court.gov first page says all fed courts are article 3 courts [common law]
what was the paperwork they are saying is inappropriate?

14: is a common law claim and they’re trying to keep it under the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT side.

they don’t want a common law court held because the other side can’t answer because they want me to answer under fed rules like 12 b 6, you can't do that because I am not pro se or an attorney or a plaintiff. There's nowhere in law that says a man has to speak legalese not in the common law, not under the constitution. All federal courts move under the constitution. I am relying upon the 1st, 7th, 9th, 10th amendments and the bill of rights articles. So I am moving under article 7 cause this is a civil suit, more than 20 dollars, it’s under common law, and i want a trial by jury. I don’t want a magistrate's opinion. I don’t want a judge's opinion. I don’t want anybody's opinion but the jury's opinion. I don’t care what these people are trying to hand to me or send back to me. They have no right to even look at any of my paperwork I am sending to the defendant. So the people who did me wrong they get to look and answer me in 21 days. If they don’t then I’ll just go for a default judgment. So that’s all it is. That’s how fast a common law court works. I am not allowing rule 12 b 6. I don’t have to. Besides they change fed rules every 6 years [change this year 2013]. What if they change it to where rule 11 used to be? I am not going to study rule 12. There is nothing in the law that says i have to speak legalese.

It’s a personal harm. It’s a standard form. Its form 360, personal injury, personal harm. There you go, harm to my property. I was harmed. All i sued was a claim for forgery. They used a forged instrument to interfere with my rights. How they spun it to kidnapping and how they spun it to custody i don’t have a clue. My paperwork, my lawsuit is one page. Do you see who the defendant is? Yeah like cps, dhs. 16: Yeah but what is the CPS? CPS, number one, is a federal agent. He says, oh you know that huh? Oh yeah because they’re a federal agent because why? You know why. Because they accept federal funds.

What does cps stand for?

Child Protective Services. They’re federal agents.

I thought it was a state agency.

It is a state agency but it’s a federal agent working within a state agency and the governor still has supreme control over everything in his state including federal agents. He can tell federal agents to stop, that they don’t have jurisdiction and tell them to stop and they have to listen to the governor of the state. Once the Marshalls seen the defendant was a federal agent, i said to him, what makes you think I am going to have an easy chance in federal court when I am going after a federal agent? Ah, i see what the problem is here, but at least the man was incredibly intelligent he knew they were federal agents because they receive federal funds. I never told him, he told me.



It’s a state agency, but it’s also a federal agent.
18: when you challenge jurisdiction it’s called a claim of consusance. If anybody tries to drag you to the wrong side of the court you just file a claim of consusance. Claim of consusance when they try to drag you to the wrong side/jurisdiction.
20: You got no control or jurisdiction over me because this country is a common law land. Oh yeah the Marshall Service loved that. I gave them a map of the world and there’s just a few common law countries left. We live in a common law land. So if you want to drag somebody out of civil court or tax court or bankruptcy court or divorce court or any court or dmv, you could just drag them into the common law side. If we lose that ability to drag them over to the proper jurisdiction where we have control over them we will end up like France or all these blue countries in Europe. If we turn into France were guilty until proven innocent, its backwards, we'd be living in a code world. Until then we live in a common law land. I love living in a common law land. So anytime anybody tries to drag you over to the code world I am gonna drag them into the common law side.

All I am doing when I am making contact with the judges is I am demanding from them that they respect the fact that they’re article 3 judges and this is a common law land and if they don’t like working in a common law land as common law judges I am going to have to ask for their oath of office and if they have an oath of office, i said to the Marshall you’re gonna get a phone call from them in a week or two, and they’re like why? Because I am going to demand their oath of office and then I am going to go after their bond. And when i go after their bond you know what is going to happen. He said yeah they’re gonna say you’re doing terrorism. I said why? Because I am interfering with the proper functioning of government .

So that’s what they’re going to claim next. He said gotcha. He was like god bless you and just keep going after them the way you gotta do it. And if you feel anybody from Alabama is threatening you, will come up to the mountain and help you. There’s an agent that lives close to you.

The Marshalls love me because i was straight up with them.

Somebody has got to protect our rights and I am protecting yours too.

You file any writs and I’ll be glad to carry them out for you.
27: i just do a one page. The one on your web site is like 4 pages long cause i wanted people to see what the story was. [but] the lawsuit is only 1 page long. It’s just

i, a man, Karl Lentz, has been done wrong.

Defendant 1 cps dhr federal agent state agency

Bob, Sally acting sometimes as …………………

jurisdiction court house is close to the defendant

3 jurisdictions i had over the party because it was diverse, i used that, you know, title 28, 1332 diversity of the parties, a matter of controversy that is more than 20 dollars.

Cause of action, forgery they used a forged instrument to interfere with my rights

and then the remedy the instrument is to be deemed a forgery and is to have no force of operation,

and then the last part was compensation, damages. I put like 360 million. It’s one dollar for every second that they used a forged instrument to interfere with my rights. A prosecutor told me to put a ridiculously big number up there or nobody is going to pay attention to your law suit.

32; under contract law they don’t have to give you a copy if you lost yours.

33: they want to use federal rules of civil procedure but there’s nothing in the constitution that a man has to file a law suit in a federal court and they have to rely on federal rules of civil procedure. The FRCP is created by a branch of the GOVERNMENT . And I am not a branch of the GOVERNMENT . That’s created by the Supreme Court of the United States... I am not a branch of the GOVERNMENT . I am a man i stand above the GOVERNMENT . I stand apart. I don’t have to be a part of the GOVERNMENT if i don’t want to be. I didn’t swear an oath or allegiance to the constitution. You men did. US Marshalls did. You have to protect my rights. You can’t let a GOVERNMENT agency tell me what to do if i don’t wish to do it. So i don’t have to abide by FRCP, and they want me to, and i won’t play that game. I won’t be pro se and i won’t be an attorney. I am just going to be a man making a claim against someone who did me wrong and they’re going to answer whether or not they’re in court. So it’s pretty simple.

34: interfering with the proper function of GOVERNMENT . That’s paper terrorism. That’s what i told the Marshalls too was it would kinda be good to be charged with interfering with the proper function of GOVERNMENT because then i would get them to admit that once and for all that that court house is GOVERNMENT , is GOVERNMENT employees. Because right now I am having a hard time with them to admit that they’re either a GOVERNMENT employee and a federal court or they’re a private corporation called the united states. If they’re a private corporation called the United States, yes I’d be harassing them. It would be like I am calling coca cola or Pepsi or I am calling a company, a private corporation, and i keep calling them demanding things from them and i have no right to do that. [ ] the united states district court tries to say they’re a GOVERNMENT and I am interfering with the proper function of GOVERNMENT , i say that’s wonderful. They finally admit they’re a GOVERNMENT . That they’re not a private organization. All of us have this prob. Is it a GOVERNMENT court or a private org? If they’re all private corporations these courts, then we have no rights [then what would we be doing in there?]. If they’re GOVERNMENT , if they’re public corporations, it’s a public building, a public court, we have rights. That’s what i said to the Marshalls. I hope they admit they’re a GOVERNMENT agency because then they have to answer to man, then i have rights. But if they’re not GOVERNMENT , not a public court, then it’s a private court, then i have no rights. Then i have to ask permission to be there and talk. Then it would be harassing them, because terrorism can only be directed against the GOVERNMENT . [and if they’re not a GOVERNMENT why are they sending bills?]

37: Host; i got an email from rod class saying all the GOVERNMENT offices have been vacated. He said they’re all private contractors.

Well then you can’t be charged with terrorism.


39: anytime you walk into a court and being charged under a code you immediately convene your own common law court and say someone is trying to drag you into an administrative court. They’re trying to administer your property without any rights. When you’re under a code world they have duties obligations and privileges, they don’t have rights. Only man has rights in common law; that cannot be changed.

Were not in the code world yet. Were still in a common law land. So when somebody tries to indict you

in front of a grand jury you just say good, while you’re there I am going to indict you for trying to administrate me or my property without any rights. I don’t care if it’s the IRS. I don’t care who it is. You say do you have any right to do what you’re doing? No they don’t. They have a privilege to do what they’re doing. They don’t have a right. Only man has a right in this country.
41: technically, you could be cute, and say they’re interfering with you because you are a self governing entity or self governing person or self governing being. You are self propelled and you determine which way you’re going to go. So yes, if you want to be cute, sure, it would be totally lawful. You just have to convince 12 people on a jury, well 7 out of 12, that’s true, and you will win. But you have to convince 7 out of 12 that’s terrorism.

43: i don’t care if it’s a traffic ticket, i don’t care what it is. You drag them over to the common law side of the court. i look at the judge, the prosecutor, the cop and say we’re here to discuss that i broke the law, right? Yeah. Good. Let’s go. So then they start reading the charges and i say that’s a code that you’re saying i violated. I thought we were here to discuss that i broke the law? This is the law. That’s the wrong book. What’s the difference in your book? Like in the code of Virginia 1950 what’s the difference between law and a code. They read the difference between law and a code. ha. You said we were here to discuss i broke the law. So did you just make a false claim in court? Well you know what i meant. No! You said that we’re here to discuss the fact that i broke the law. I did not break the law. Are you people sure that you are going to be able to prove that i broke the law today? Prove it. I can prove in 2 seconds that i didn’t. So they start to read it and i say wait a second, that’s not the law.

They say yes it is.

What does it say?

The code of Virginia.

Where are you pulling that from?

The code book of Virginia.

That’s not the law. What’s the difference between law and code? Is anybody harmed or injured?



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