Karl Lentz Transcripts of calls from 11-8-12 to 8-16-14



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12: i did the UCC 11 to see if any liens or levy’s. And going to use UCC 3 to terminate those bogus liens on my record.
17: they made me register my vehicle and send the MSO to the tax man [??]
32: they’re foreign agents posing as gov agents.
35: lithium caused kidney damage
52:$2500 to Gordon Hall for help but he never had time for me. Call me tomorrow or call me tonight and he'd never be there.
58: jack smith is 180 degrees from Gordon Hall.
1:20new caller ticket 4 driving with suspended license.
1:44 Karl finally comes on. When they file a complaint against you; why don’t you file a claim against them? This is still a common law country.

You’re making a claim that someone is interfering with your right to travel because you caused no man harm. Since you caused no man harm they are filing a false claim against you.

I conditionally accept your offer that I’ve done wrong upon a verifiable claim. And don’t say anymore.

Certified just means that there's another person that believes that piece of paper exists. Certified is a joke and a waste of time.

The only answer you’ll accept in court is a verifiable answer and the other side cannot verify their answer. They can only certify their answer (editor note: certify they made an allegation is not a verifiable/provable/proven claim).

They’ve gotta put their hand on a bible and swear to it. That's the diff between certified and verified.


If you don’t get sworn in then there is nothing to appeal.

You don’t ever motion or petition the court, that’s begging the court.

You notice the court that it lacks jurisdiction over you.

The person making claim MUST appear to be cross examined.

Caller; i said to the judge can you swear us both in? He said no way. Were not gonna do that.

Well you tell him you need it for appellate review. Say is it not true that for any evidence or facts presented to the court it has to come through a verifiable witness. And he will have to say yes that’s true. So say; before we start, just in case i need it for appellate review i need to be sworn in so that way my testimony can be heard by the appeals because the only testimony the appellate court is going to hear is something that was verified under oath or affirmation. So if its not verified under oath or affirmation you have nothing to appeal.
Is it not true that any statement to be deemed admissible evidence it has to be under oath or affirmation? And the judge has to say yes. He has to. Then say therefore before we proceed you just say its my wish to be sworn into affirmation. Therefore they could be admissible evidence pressed upon the record in the event that it needs to go for an appellate review.

If you don’t get sworn in then there is nothing to appeal.

U don’t ever motion or petition the court, that’s begging the court. And once you motion the court, you’ve given the court jurisdiction.

You notice the court that it lacks jurisdiction over you. I believe that no man will come forth and claim jurisdiction and control over me. Cause all jurisdiction means is control over you. who has go the power to touch you and drag you in? Who did you cause harm? Everybody knows the tenth amendment says that whatever power is not reserved to the federal government , power is then reserved then to the states and the people, and power means control over another person. So you have control over me when I’m stepping on your toes. If I’m stepping on your toes and you say hey buddy you’re stepping on my toes back off and i don’t well then you have the power

to control me. To control my actions. You have the power to push me off your feet. So you have jurisdiction and control and authority over me at that time because its necessary for your self preservation. So you have the jurisdiction, means you have the power to drag me in to a court before a jury. You have that power you have that authority. Of course you do. Ive caused you harm and you can prove that harm and you’re willing to prove it... and i wont settle the matter on the private side outside of the court room, you have to drag me in. so that way you get the Marshalls or the sheriffs to drag me in to answer to your claim against me. So you have the authority over me, jurisdiction and that’s all jurisdiction means. You are challenging the judge; what man did i cause harm to that i was not willing to settle this matter on the private side that you believe, that somebody believes in this building, that you have the right to summons me here today, drag me in, and then force me to do something. Who has got that power over me? And the judge will have to say well he does. You say you are claiming i done you harm? He will be like well no. well then you don’t have jurisdiction over me. Who has the right to claim that i caused him harm? Let that man come forward and speak his peace. I will settle any matter where i caused harm to anybody. That’s all jurisdiction means, who has got the power and control over your body?

Caller; prosecutor been avoiding me.

The prosecutor is not the person you’ve caused harm to. Whose claim are you prosecuting? Bring me the person I’ve caused harm. Prosecutor is more like a trustee, for the trustor, the grantor.

The person making claim MUST appear to be cross examined.
U don’t have to accept the charge, they must make a verifiable claim. I will accept the charge on a verifiable claim, that he suffered some sort of tangible damage, not something intangible like you caused me a lot of stress or hurt my feelings, or raised my blood pressure. You show me something that i caused you monetary damage. Show me! Give me a bill.

You don’t have to accept the charge, they must make a verifiable claim.

[1:47] Enter court Verifiable claim

notary and lawyer and pro se - certify



verified got to be vica voce

I conditionally accept your offer upon a verifiable proof of claim.


[1:50] enter court - any evidence court

appellate in court - only hear verified under oath, or affirmation rule 602 personal knowledge


[1:50] Ask judge - Is it not true that for any statement to be deemed as admissible evidence it has to be under oath and affirmation.? Judge has to say yes. It is my wish to be sworn in for affirmation therefore it can be impressed upon the record for appellate
[1:54] You give the court notice. Do not motion court.. I believe there is no man that will

come forward and claim that they have jurisdiction over me. Who will come forward and say

I caused them harm.
Step on feet jurisdiction.
[1:55:41] enter court

To judge: What man did I cause harm to that I was not willing to settle on the private side that you believe or somebody believes in the building that you have the right summon me in and force me to do something? Who had that power over me? Judge: he does.

To prosecutor: You claim I am doing you harm?

Prosecutor: No.

Who has the right that claims I have done him harm?

Whose claim are you prosecuting? Who made the claim?

Then you don't have jurisdiction over me.
Jurisdiction control - who had control of you body? who did you cause harm? power is control over other person
[1:57] prosecutor (trustee) is not the person that you have cause harm to?

claim for who? Please bring the grantor / trustor forward. Harm one has to appear. Defendant

can cross examine.
Monetary loss claim by deputy. I will accept charge based on verifiable claim.
[2:02] stylize your brief in conjunction with their belief

i have the right to cross canada and be left alone not only is it my belief the constitution and court case blah blah


their opinions change, yours do not as long as you don’t hurt nobody who cares? stop relying on their beliefs

[2:04] enter court - how do overcome jury instructions?

You don’t have to accept the charge, they must make a verifiable claim.

you have to prosecute a claim the same time somebody is making a complaint. And a claim always trumps a complaint. So you have to come in and file a claim; somebody is administrating my property without rights. He told me what to do with my car. And then he has to prove he had a right. The only problem is public officers and state employees they have no rights. Only man has rights. So they have duties responsibilities obligations that they have to uphold. Say to that policeman; do you have any rights? What? Do you have any rights to stop my car? No that’s a duty and obligation or some sort of authority, but in this nation rights supersede and trump everything. So do you have a right? Well no I’m a policeman i have an obligation and a duty. Right but me as a man i have a right. Did i have the right to travel in my car? Yes. Okay, in this pyramid structure of this society what’s on top of the pyramid? Rights. What is under rights? Duties responsibilities obligations and privileges. Can somebody take away your privilege to be a cop? Yes. So then you could no longer stop people going down the road. Well then right i couldn’t stop them. Why? because it would be unlawful. Why? Because you could not interfere with that mans rights. So as a cop you have a privilege to stop right? Yes. As a man do i have the right to travel from point a to point b? Yes. You had a duty. I had a right. So what trumps what in this country?

Caller; so do you use the constitution?

No no. you could refer back to the constitution

claim beats complaint - administrating my property without my rights.

He has to prove he has right. duties responsibilities and obligations and authority


man right cop privilege

how to refer to constitution

are you a free man? I am a man.
2:09you tried to settle the matter on the private side and he refused.

Mr. cop did i break the law? He says yeah. Mr. Prosecutor did i break the law? He says yeah. What are you talking about? Section 60101 or whatever, that’s some sort of violation of a code. We all agreed that i am here today because i broke the law. Oh you don’t know the difference between a law and a code. Let me show you in your book.

We all agreed, are you lying now?

Only a man can file a claim. The state can only file a complaint. They can’t file claims against the people. They can only file complaints against a person.
2:16 i don’t accept any charges without a grand jury indictment.

Grand jury supposed to be 25 but in most states its 23.

2:19 IRS says if you want to challenge our assessment file your petition at this address...

you should have been sending letters back and forth. Wait a minute you have the right to claim i owe you a debt? Who has that right? I thought you were a state agency that has privileges, duties and obligations. Where do you have a right?

Can you show me where you have that right to make a claim against my person or my property? They don’t.


Put it in writing, sign it, and testify in open court.

I file exempt every year.

N/A is non assumpsit [not non applicable]. Just means I am not going to contract with you. This is not binding. N/A in all W4 boxes and highlight the bottom and write exempt. Keep the original and hand copy to boss. No man will testify otherwise. No fed agent will ever come to court and swear anything is true. My mom was a tax auditor. It’s all what they believe.

Last time codes changed [every 6 years] was 2007, now it’s 2013.

It just means a general issue of an action of assumpsit; being a plea by which the defendant avers is that he did not knowingly undertake or promise anything as alleged.

UCC 3-104.3 also means non assumpsit.


Can’t use commercial driver’s license for my private insurance.
Court of record only operates under the common law. Is this a hearing? Then it’s administrative. Move it over to common law court.

You get them to say “court of record”, that’s the very first thing.


I don’t move any complaint under title 42. i make claims as a man that you did me wrong.
Caller: Do they make you stand up when the judge enters the court room? Is that common law also?

When you walk into court you stand from the time you enter to the time you leave because what you’re doing is standing in common law, when they say what are you doing? I am standing. This is a court of record right? Yeah. This is operating under common law right? Yeah.

To me you're standing in common law. Never give up your standing. So even though it’s a little theatrical, even though it’s a little funny, i never sit down. From the minute i walk into court I am just here to answer all claims against me. Who is going to come forth and make a claim against me?

If you’re really truly holding your court and you are making a claim what you do is I was summonsed to appear here at 9 o'clock so you make your claim at 9 o'clock; is there any man going to come forward and make a claim against me because at this point i have still not had a claim being presented to me. So i say to people why don’t you just walk into court and at 9 o'clock say 3 times does any man care to make a claim against me? I’m here to answer all claims. Is anybody here to make claim against me?

They say just wait the judge will be here soon. No no no no no. I still don’t have a claim against me.

So you say it 3 times and then you leave. I was there judge. You told me to appear at 9 o'clock. It doesnt say nine O one or nine O two. I was here at 9. if i was there at 9:01 id be in trouble. Yeah you would be cause youd be late. I stood up at 9 o'clock and said does anybody here have a claim against me?


You never open your mouth in court. Everything has to be in writing. So you already sent this to the other side. So is there any man whose going to make a claim against me? I’m waiting for a claim. All ive gotten is this silly citation about some kind of code violation I’ve no idea what section 6011132 means. There’s nothing in the law that forces me to interpret your code. There’s nothing in the law that says i have to know what your silly numbers mean. All i know i was traveling from point A to point B. as far as i know i didn’t cause any harm to any of God's creatures great or small and i didn’t cause any

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Damage to any mans property and i don’t have a contract with that man who pulled me over saying i was driving his car in a matter that we did not agree on. That's my car i can drive it any damn way i want. So who is going to make the claim against me? So like i said the prosecutor usually reads that stuff when i file and they read it in 2 seconds and they just laugh. What are you some kind of a lawyer? No I’m your worst nightmare.

He said ill see you in court in 30 days.

Well then I’m going to get you for barratry, filing a malicious claim against me and filing a false claim against me. Believe me you are going to get a claim handed to you from me and then you are going to

answer to my claim.

Is somebody making a claim that i broke the law?
[2:32] cop threatening in court

[2:35] I am a man I have rights. You are the government you have a privilege to exist.

Bring forth a verifiable claim or leave me alone.


[2:36] Black's 6th Law 2000. Court of records only under law.
[2:41] Words for traffic ticket

If you’re really truly holding your court and you are making a claim what you do is I was summonsed to appear here at 9 o'clock so you make your claim at 9 o'clock; is there any man going to come forward and make a claim against me because at this point i have still not had a claim being presented to me. So i say to people why don’t you just walk into court and at 9 o'clock say 3 times does any man care to make a claim against me? I am here to answer all claims. Is anybody here to make claim against me?

They say just wait the judge will be here soon. No no no no no! I still don’t have (seen/heard) a claim against me.

So you say it 3 times and then you leave. I was there judge. You told me to appear at 9 o'clock. It doesn’t say nine O one or nine O two. I was here at 9. if i was there at 9:01 I’d be in trouble. Yeah you would because you’d be late. I stood up at 9 o'clock and said does anybody here have a claim against me?

You never open your mouth in court. Everything has to be in writing. So you already sent this to the other side. So is there any man who’s going to make a claim against me? I am waiting for a claim. All I’ve gotten is this silly citation about some kind of code violation I’ve no idea what section 6011132 means. There’s nothing in the law that forces me to interpret your code. There’s nothing in the law that says i have to know what your silly numbers mean. All i know i was traveling from point A to point B. as far as i know i didn’t cause any harm to any of God's creatures great or small and i didn’t cause any damage to any mans property and i don’t have a contract with that man who pulled me over saying i was driving his car in a matter that we did not agree on. That's my car i can drive it any damn way i want. So who is going to make the claim against me? So like i said the prosecutor usually reads that stuff when i file and they read it in 2 seconds and they just laugh. What are you some kind of a lawyer? No I am your worst nightmare.

He said I’ll see you in court in 30 days.

Well then I am going to get you for barratry, filing a malicious claim against me and filing a false claim against me. Believe me you are going to get a claim handed to you from me and then you are going to

answer to my claim.

Is somebody making a claim that i broke the law?

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3-7-13

My private audio at talkshoe com guest Karl Lentz 2h29m [garbles/comments in brackets]


6: congress didn’t renew the fed res charter so were gonna go back to a monetary system based on the output of the labor of the citizens of the US instead of the IMF. That’s what Winston Shrout said.
I would have like to ask Winston about his prior seminars where he, back in 2007 we all sent our BC's to treasury with that accepted language on there [and did all we were asked to do] and indemnified it and we did all that and it didn’t accomplish anything. It’s like he likes to spin people’s wheels. Some of the stuff he says is good. A lot of it is BS.

Who is this man or woman making a claim that i owe anything?

When they give you an assessment you have 3 days to respond. Who is the man or woman saying I owe this?

You establish proof you were trying to settle on the private side.

Make a phone call and record it. Who is administering my property and by what right.

Go to local district court and file a claim that someone is administering your property without any rights, since the US operates in all 50 states.

They’re causing you harm and not only do you want your property returned immediately, you want a certain amount of money back for the aggravation of filing the suit to claim your property back.

8: i don’t think its [BC] actually worth like millions, i think it’s like dean said it just gives you a claim to the natural resources of the land that you live upon. [stock holder certificate].

Why do you need a BC to claim anything?

I think you need a Mexican BC to buy Mexican land. [China wanted to sue Prez to build windmills in WA State]

10: let’s say an IRS agent sends you a letter that’s says you owe x amount or you need to file or whatever.

What do you do?

The Following is Powerful


You just send it back and say, when i address somebody in their official capacity i would say like I am a man you’re a woman whatever and my name is whatever and is the man informing me that i owe a debt to the IRS. so the whole trick is you gotta get them down out of their agent level and put them on the same level playing field as you as a man or a woman making a claim that you owe a debt, so you won’t want to talk to them in their official capacity you want to talk to them as a man or a woman. They won’t do that. They will only talk to you as an agent cause they believe that they’re immune from a lawsuit if they can say they’re only acting as an agent for the principal, if you want to sue somebody sue the IRS.

My mom worked for the IRS for many years as a tax auditor and she told me that if a man was sitting across the table from her and said okay you’re claiming mam that i owe x amount can you sign your name to it as true? She said absolutely not. I wouldn’t be able to because i have no firsthand knowledge if the man worked that year, i wasn’t there when he was making the money, i have no idea how much he truly made, i couldn’t testify under oath or affirmation that anything that i say the assessment of taxes is true.

12: let’s say they send you a letter or state that you need to file a return or they’re going to lien or levy you for so many thousands of dollars and they just wipe out your bank account. Now what do you do?

Well what’s good is they’ll put a letter and you gotta watch the verbiage because they’ll never say the word say, they’ll maintain a position or something like that because only a man can say, state or declare. There are words they have to be technically wary of, they can’t say certain things so you gotta watch the language they use [like saying “you”?] because you always want to get them back to the common law side you always want to get them to the man or woman side. Who is this man or woman who is making a claim that i owe anything, any amount of money?

Okay but they proceeded to wipe out your bank account.

When they give you an assessment you have 3 days to respond. If you fail to respond they’re gonna lien everything, they’re gonna freeze your bank account. So you gotta write back as fast as you can and just say who is the man or woman making this claim that i owe the IRS money? Can you please inform me of their name? Give me a name. Like the nature of the person who is claiming i owe a debt and they have to respond back...

Say they don’t respond back and they just wipe out your bank account?


You establish proof you were trying to settle the matter on the private side on your administrative capacity and they refused to respond back. Everybody knows that UCC stuff on negotiable instruments, under section 3 its 501, 503, and 507, tendering an offer, bad faith, dishonoring a debt, and the IRS knows them as well. So as long as you have proof that you are trying to settle the matter on the private side that way they can’t say that you ignored them because everybody knows if you ignored them you dishonored the presentment and that you tacitly acquiesce to their claim that you owe the debt. So you just need to prove that you were trying to communicate with them and they refused to respond.

Okay you were trying to communicate with them and they refused to respond, where do you go with that? And they proceeded in wiping out your bank account

You get back to them in three days with a request for a bill.

I’m saying they ignored you and proceeded to wipe out your bank account.

15: Make a phone call and record it. That way you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you made contact with this person that sent you this and you called the person and you asked them;

Who wants to administer my property and by what authority/right do you believe you can administrate my property?

A man or woman has rights and the IRS has a duty obligation or privilege to exist. They’re chartered so they have to operate under certain standards and rules. We don’t have to operate under any rules because we don’t have any ruler in our lives. That’s why everybody left Europe...

They wiped out your bank account, what’s the next step?

16: Go to local district court and file a claim that someone is administering your property without any rights, since the US operates in all 50 states just make a claim in your local district court. You don’t have to go to some fancy state capitol or some fancy federal court, just go to your local mom and pop local court house and file a claim that somebody is administrating your property without any debt, they’re causing you harm and not only do you want your property returned immediately, you want a certain amount of money back for the aggravation of having to filing the suit to claim your property back.

Have you ever done anything like that?

My mom explained, back in 1987, that it was all fraud.

And it’s still fraud in 2013.

17: right i haven’t dealt with them since 1988 because i have nothing to gain by it, no benefit to conducting business with them. Can you show me a benefit in which i derive by intercoursing with them?

Trespass against my rights


But if they wiped out your bank account, your life savings...

I’d sue them in a local district court. I would never go to a federal tax court like that one guy did.

I'd file a claim that they are administrating my property without rights. The IRS has no rights.

Yeah but if you went into court and filed a lawsuit against a IRS agent and they saw that it was an IRS agent they’d probably laugh at you, they probably say oh you’re in the wrong court.

A case in 1997 Jennifer flowers v. bill Clinton who said I’m the prez why should i go and answer some bimbos claim that i exposed myself to her 10 years ago and the supreme court said we don’t care who you think you are you’re going to go down there and answer a civil complaint, not only do you have less status than another man or woman you are a public servant it is your duty to answer every claim. He said what happens if thousands of women make claims all over the country and the SC said you’re gonna be a busy boy. I can’t leave the white house... then you’re gonna lose by default. So that’s what will happen with the IRS, you don’t answer the claim you’re gonna lose. Answer the claim within 21 days or you’re gonna lose.

I want for you to show me step by step exactly what kind of claim are you saying one would file in the court?

Just that one sentence thing like i said, I am a man, it’s a trespass, just file in your local mom and pop court...

I don’t know what a local mom and pop court is.

What I am saying is, you don’t gotta go to some fancy court. You don’t gotta go to United States district court. whatever the closest court house is to you. Just file a claim against them.

On the front page, on the cover sheet itself on the caption you just write trespass and underneath trespass you just write administrating my property without rights. And then you just put your name on one side and the IRS on the other side. And that’s all you need to do for the front page. And then the next page if you want to you could just say the parties, what their name is and that you’re a woman and you have rights and nobody has a right to administrate my property without any rights and then underneath it you put the defendants name you put the IRS and just say they’re trying to administrate my property without any rights, without my consent. And then the next thing put down a statement of the facts; i went home one day checked my bank and it was empty. You say i want my money, my account to be restored and be made whole. And the next thing the remedy you want a certain amount of money for the damages for them wasting your time for filing a lawsuit.

Just file in your local county court house.

What if it’s after the fact though? What if they wiped out your account a couple years ago?

22: same thing. There’s no statute of limitation on man and common law. Judiciary act of 1793 clause

25:im a man i have rights. They are the irs they have no rights, the are chartered, and ive never consented to give them a dime. Let them bring that fact forward that i did. They cannot say anything in common law court because they have no standing [trinsey v pagliero].

31. Man can’t be lached. You can’t attach like a hook or a latch or a limitation on a man. Man can do whatever he wishes. But when you have a rule, when you abide by certain federal rules of civil procedure or California rules of procedures, then you’re lached. So if you try to use any of their ridiculous rules of procedure or any of their codes or SC rulings [opinions] you’re gonna be lached because you’re attaching yourself to their rules. As long as you stand on common law side man can never be ruled man can never be lached.

...it doesn’t matter if it’s a matter of national security, or a time of war or a medical national emergency, the Supreme Court said the GOVERNMENT can’t make any kind of rule or code to interfere with the rights of man.



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