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The 4402 meeting of the Brisbane City Council,

held at City Hall, Brisbane

on Tuesday 7 May 2013

at 2pm

Prepared by:

Council and Committees Support

Chief Executive’s Office

Office of the Lord Mayor and the Chief Executive Officer











CONSIDERATION OF NOTIFIED MOTION - Parking and traffic in the Nundah Shopping Village area, surrounding streets and local schools: 65

CONSIDERATION OF NOTIFIED MOTION - Parking and traffic in the Nundah Shopping Village area, surrounding streets and local schools: 72





The Right Honourable the LORD MAYOR (Councillor Graham QUIRK) – LNP

The Chairman of Council, Margaret de WIT (Pullenvale Ward) – LNP

LNP Councillors (and Wards)

ALP Councillors (and Wards)

Councillor Krista ADAMS (Wishart)

Matthew BOURKE (Jamboree)

Amanda COOPER (Bracken Ridge)

Vicki HOWARD (Central)

Steven HUANG (Macgregor)

Fiona KING (Marchant)

Geraldine KNAPP (The Gap)

Kim MARX (Karawatha)

Peter MATIC (Toowong)

Ian McKENZIE (Holland Park)

David McLACHLAN (Hamilton)

Ryan MURPHY (Doboy)

Angela OWEN-TAYLOR (Parkinson) (Deputy Chairman of Council)

Adrian SCHRINNER (Chandler) (Deputy Mayor)

Julian SIMMONDS (Walter Taylor)

Norm WYNDHAM (McDowall)

Andrew WINES (Enoggera)

Milton DICK (Richlands) (The Leader of the Opposition)

Helen ABRAHAMS (The Gabba) (Deputy Leader of the Opposition)

Peter CUMMING (Wynnum Manly)

Kim FLESSER (Northgate)

Steve GRIFFITHS (Moorooka)

Victoria NEWTON (Deagon)

Shayne SUTTON (Morningside)

Independent Councillor (and Ward)

Councillor Nicole JOHNSTON (Tennyson)

The Chairman, Councillor Margaret de WIT, opened the meeting with prayer, and then proceeded with the business set out in the Agenda.

Chairman: Councillors, before we go on I would like to extend a very warm welcome to the Mayor of Gold Coast City Council Tom Tate and his Chief of Staff who are here today to observe some of Brisbane City Council's meeting. Welcome.



The Minutes of the 4401 (ordinary) meeting held on 26 March 2013, copies of which had been forwarded to each councillor, were presented, taken as read and confirmed on the motion of Councillor MURPHY, seconded by Councillor MARX.


Chairman: Are there any questions of the LORD MAYOR or a Chairman of any of the standing committees? Councillor MURPHY?

Question 1

Councillor MURPHY: Thanks very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, my question is to the LORD MAYOR. LORD MAYOR I understand Council will be actively working with the Council of Mayors to lobby the Federal Government for enhanced infrastructure. Can you please detail why this is being done and why this course of action is necessary?

Chairman: LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Yes thanks very much, Madam Chairman, and I thank Councillor MURPHY for the question. Madam Chairman, today we launched what is known as a ‘Give a Beep’ campaign. Whilst the question relates to the lobbying of the government, let me make it absolutely clear, Madam Chairman, that it is a program to lobby both the government and the Opposition in the lead up to the Federal election. The Council of Mayors as we know is a body that represents one in seven Australians. This body acts as a collective in the interests of South East Queenslanders.

Today, Madam Chairman, through the launching of the ‘Give a Beep’ campaign, we are calling on South East Queenslanders to join with the Mayors of South East Queensland in this campaign to ensure that South East Queensland receives its adequate share of infrastructure funding. It is a fact, Madam Chairman, that the collective from the South East Queensland Mayors and the people that we represent amount to some one fifth of the national economic growth. So it is that this is an important sector in terms of the gross domestic product of this nation. It is an important part of Australia in terms of what we are doing and the industries that we support.

So it is that the Council of Mayors are seeking a number of projects, some 36 in all that we are putting on the table as important projects in the region. They are projects that relate to all local authority areas. I am pleased to see that Mayor Tom Tate is in the Chamber today because clearly there are projects that the Council of Mayors have considered that are of regional benefit. These are decisions that we take where we draw away the barriers between councils. We recognise that the people of the South East sector of Queensland very much move between council areas, our business, our jobs, all of those things that support our community, ought to be looked at on a regional basis.

So it is that we have projects like the Pacific Highway upgrade, Mudgeeraba to Varsity Lakes is one of those projects that we believe is of regional significance. As we do the Toowoomba Second Range crossing and the Bruce Highway, Caloundra Road to Sunshine Motorway project. We see things like—I think someone just gave a beep right now, fantastic and that's what we want all South East Queenslanders to do, perhaps not in the Council Chamber DEPUTY MAYOR, but we want all South East Queenslanders to go online to www.giveabeep.com.au and to register their support for this campaign.

So in terms of Brisbane Kingsford Smith Drive, Northern and Eastern busways we see are projects of importance and significance. Gold Coast TransitWay upgrade is again another one representing the area belonging to Mayor Tom Tate. But, Madam Chairman, again this is a program where all South East Queenslanders can come together. We encourage them today through this launch to be a part of this campaign. Again, it's all about making sure that we get our fair share of the cake.

We acknowledge that there is not the infrastructure dollars around today that there once was. The economy is tight, that has meant a tightening of funds at all three levels of government. There's a tightening of funds in the community at large but, Madam Chairman, there is some money available and we need to make sure that we continue to have our voice heard as a part of South East Queensland, an integral part of this nation's economy. So I thank the other mayors of South East Queensland joining in this campaign. We will be having other launches in other Council areas to make sure that the message gets out right across the width and breadth of South East Queensland.

Chairman: Further questions? Councillor DICK.

Question 2

Councillor DICK: Thank you, Madam Chair, my question is to the LORD MAYOR. LORD MAYOR do you support the Costello Commission of Audit Recommendation number 17 that says, competitive tendering should be introduced for bus service contracts including evaluating the number of routes serviced and frequencies, franchisers and franchisees before initiating the tender. Do you support this recommendation yes or no?

Chairman: LORD MAYOR?

LORD MAYOR: Madam Chairman, it's nothing new. It is nothing new. Brisbane Transport has faced competitive tendering in the past. I made statements in this Chamber, Madam Chairman, in March about what I saw as the future of Brisbane Transport. I challenge or I'll allow the Opposition to go back and look at what I said on that occasion, I think it was 6 March from memory. But nothing's changed in terms of what I said at that time. Now can I just say that Brisbane Transport has faced competitive tendering. We faced it when the issue regarding transportation of people to major venues occurred and they were successful at that time.

There have been other instances of competitive tendering. So look, Madam Chairman, the State Government will make its own decisions around this and I don't know, I don't know, nor do you Councillor DICK, know what those decisions will be. The Costello Report has come down, it's not to say that every aspect of that report will be adopted. The government—

Councillor interjecting.

Chairman: Councillor DICK—just a minute LORD MAYOR. Councillor DICK you've asked a question. Please remain quiet while the answer is given.

LORD MAYOR: If you read the whole part of that Costello Report and I don't have it in front of me but I'm going from memory, it also issued some warnings around competitive tendering and the nature of what Mr Costello was recommending to the government. Again, I make the point that there are a whole raft of recommendations contained in the Costello Report. The government will have to work through those recommendations and make their own decisions relative to them. In the same way that we have when we brought private consultants into this Council, under various administrations over the years, considered the recommendations and made our own judgement. Accepted some recommendations, rejected others.

So, Madam Chairman, I just say this that if an organisation is efficient it will survive any competitive tendering, that's the reality. What is to fear about competition Opposition leader? What is there to fear about competition? It seems to me, Madam Chairman, that this is Labor's problem. They don't understand the fundamentals. They think that there is just an endless money pot that people have to keep taking money from to push into things.

Now, Madam Chairman, the Opposition leader's question around competitive tendering is a fair one but it is one which is going to be a while before any answers have to be made I would have thought in relation to it.

Councillor DICK: Point of order, Madam Chair.

Chairman: Yes Councillor DICK.

Councillor DICK: The LORD MAYOR is misleading the Chamber. I tabled the Commission of Audit which said the government is accepting, the paper, it is accepting the recommendation.

Chairman: Councillor DICK. Thank you LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Well, Madam Chairman, that's fine. If it's in The Courier-Mail.

Councillor interjecting.

Councillor DICK: Point of order, Madam Chair.

Chairman: Order. Yes?

Councillor DICK: The LORD MAYOR is misleading the Chamber again. That is not The Courier-Mail. That is the Commission of Audit's own recommendation the government is supporting.

LORD MAYOR: Madam Chairman, I was referring to the interjection that was being offered by Councillor ABRAHAMS when she said it was in The Courier-Mail. So I was just responding to that. Look can I just say that I've had—

Chairman: Just a moment LORD MAYOR. Councillor DICK I don't believe the LORD MAYOR is misleading the Chamber. What I've heard the LORD MAYOR say is that we shouldn’t be frightened of competition and that there is already contestability.

Councillor DICK: No, Point of order, Madam Chairman, the LORD MAYOR was saying that the government hasn't made up its mind on those decisions. Clearly in black and white it says it has accepted the recommendations. There's no ifs or buts, will they or won't they. They've announced it and the recommendation clearly states that they will accept the recommendation.

LORD MAYOR: Yes so, Madam Chairman, let's be clear. The Costello Report came down. There was a whole raft of recommendations in that Costello Report. The government may have made reference to intending to support certain aspects of it or not supporting other aspects of it or staging support for other components. But what I'm saying today is that we have not received anything formally here to suggest what the government may or may not be doing.

We don’t know what terms of reference there might be, we don't know what would be the nature of any competitive tendering process, if that was their intention or indeed contestability around services. If so what services? We don't know because we've not had anything formal from the government in relation to this. So I'm not going to speculate here today for the sake of Councillor DICK. I'm just making the statement that contestability is not something new. It's not something new to Brisbane Transport and it's not something new to this administration, or indeed to the former Labor administration, Madam Chairman, there have been times when contestability has occurred.

Again I just say well what is it that Councillor DICK has to fear about competition and contestability? What is it?

Councillors interjecting.

Chairman: Order.

LORD MAYOR: Madam Chairman, this Administration through what we have done has created more jobs than Labor will ever think about, Madam Chairman. I just heard an interjection complaining about tunnels. What about the 5000 jobs that have been created through the Legacy Way project. They laugh at that you see, they laugh at that because they're not the sort of jobs that—

Chairman: Councillor GRIFFITHS, just a moment LORD MAYOR. Councillor GRIFFITHS if you continue to interrupt in that way you will be warned. Thank you LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Yes thanks very much, Madam Chairman. So, Madam Chairman, there will be more statements that will be able to be made once we know with clarity what the government's intentions are. I'm not going to take a one liner that might have come out and say we kept a certain recommendation without knowing what will be the detail, what will be the detail behind that. How will that occur? So, Madam Chairman, the Opposition leader, I've given him a clear answer today and we'll move forward.

Chairman: Thank you LORD MAYOR. Further questions? Councillor HUANG.

Question 3

Councillor HUANG: Thank you, Madam Chairman. My question is to the Chairman of the Public and Active Transport Committee, Councillor MATIC. Councillor MATIC can you please update this Chamber on Brisbane City Council's review of the bus network and detail whether you are aware of any alternative proposals put forward for bus services across Brisbane?

Chairman: Councillor MATIC.

Councillor MATIC: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I thank Councillor HUANG for the question and the opportunity to update the Chamber on this important process that Brisbane City Council is currently undertaking. Madam Chairman, as Councillors would know in this Chamber on 21 March the Minister made an announcement in respect of the TransLink SEQ bus review effectively saying to Brisbane City Council based on the feedback that we provided, it provided us with the opportunity to undertake the review for Brisbane City.

Madam Chairman, that was welcomed by the LORD MAYOR and by our side of the Chamber because, Madam Chairman, it was important that we have the opportunity to provide our input into the process. Now, Madam Chairman, as we had previously said in this Chamber we welcomed the bus review that was provided by the State Government and by TransLink. It was important to undertake that bus review, Madam Chairman. It was important to dust off the failures of the previous ALP state government and its mismanagement of buses, Madam Chairman, and in fact, Madam Chairman, importantly the mismanagement of fares.

Their solution in the past, Madam Chairman, was to provide fare increases to burden Brisbane residents with fare increases, Madam Chairman, rather than to efficiently and effectively look at the network as a whole. It was up to the government, this current government, Madam Chairman, to try and undo the mess that the previous state government had provided. Madam Chairman, this Administration has played its part in assisting in that process. Now we have, Madam Chairman, undertaken that bus review and looking at a number of important factors.

We've looked at patronage numbers, Madam Chairman, and where those patronage numbers were particularly low. We've looked at duplication of routes, Madam Chairman, and where those two services could be merged or a service be removed in respect of that duplication. But what we've always wanted to do is to make sure that no area was left un-serviced. So through a measured approach, Madam Chairman, we have undertaken that process and the review has gone out. The consultation period had run from 22 April and will run through to 20 May, Madam Chairman.

At the end of that process Council will then collate all that feedback, provide it into a format and then send it to the Minister's office on 1 June as required for the government's approval of those proposals. Now we hope that we are successful in our bid to get up the proposals that we have put forward. We believe that we have made a number of important positive changes to the network while still retaining the network as it is fundamentally known.

That has been the key for us in this process, Madam Chairman. As the LORD MAYOR has said in the past, the system was not broke; our system carries around about 80 million passengers a year, Madam Chairman. That clearly indicates that Brisbane is getting it right. Brisbane is investing in the network, Madam Chairman, unlike the previous state government who did not, Madam Chairman. They just simply wanted to fill the revenue coffers by increasing fares, 15 per cent one year, 15 per cent the next year, Madam Chairman, and if they had still been in government, Madam Chairman, it would have been another 15 per cent this year and 15 per cent next year.

A 60 per cent fare increase, Madam Chairman, but where are the benefits back to residents? None. That's why, Madam Chairman, we as an Administration are working cooperatively to get better outcomes for our residents and we are seeing that in the results of the feedback today. Madam Chairman, there have been just over 61,000 views of the survey page on Council's website. There have been, of all those 61,000, Madam Chairman, as of yesterday, 1216 submissions on that bus review. That clearly indicates, Madam Chairman, that a lot of people feel that we are getting it right.

But importantly too, Madam Chairman, in all of that review that we are undertaking, of the 235 routes that are currently within our system, 146 of those will not be changed. Sixty six per cent of routes will stay as they are. Where we will see changes, Madam Chairman, there are around about 80 of those where we are wanting to see timetable variations because the demand just isn't there in the off-peak period and nine route removals, Madam Chairman, where the patronage was so low, Madam Chairman, that they were averaging somewhere between on some particular routes, between three and sometimes nil passengers, Madam Chairman.

I don't think that anyone in this Chamber, Madam Chairman, can say that a service has to continue where you are literally not carrying anyone on the bus other than the driver. Those are the kind of efficiencies that this administration is working towards, Madam Chairman. But what do we see from those opposite, zero, Madam Chairman, we receive nothing from Councillors opposite. What we have seen, Madam Chairman, from them is politics for the sake of politics. We've seen no fundamental positive acknowledgement of any of the route changes in their ward.

We've seen no constructive comments from Councillors opposite or very rarely should I say, Madam Chairman, particularly should I say none from the leader of the Opposition in this space, Madam Chairman, where is he would be seen in respect of a submission on this, nowhere to be seen at all, Madam Chairman. What he does, Madam Chairman, is make comments about issues other than Council.

Chairman: Thank you, Councillor MATIC. Councillor DICK.

Question 4

Councillor DICK: Thank you, Madam Chairman. My question is to the LORD MAYOR. LORD MAYOR when asked about privatisation of Brisbane's buses in the Chamber on 5 March this year you said, I do not support the privatisation of Brisbane Transport. If I did I would have done it when I was transport chairman for Brisbane. LORD MAYOR do you stand by this statement and will you oppose any attempts to privatise public transport in our city?

Chairman: LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Yes thanks very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I thank Councillor DICK for the question and as I said if he listened to what I said earlier I said that I stood by the comments that I made on 5 March. I went onto say at the end of the quote that Councillor DICK just provided to this Chamber, I said I just say again my position always has been clear in that I do not support the privatisation of Brisbane Transport. That remains my position, Madam Chairman, and I don't know what it is that Councillor DICK is frightened of.

What I will say though is this that we have to make sure that we provide as an efficient organisation as is possible in relation to Brisbane Transport. I say this also that there is without a shadow of a doubt, an unsustainable growth path in terms of costs by the State Government. Councillor DICK in an earlier question, Madam Chairman, made reference to the issue of the Costello Report. He made reference to it in relation to competitive tendering and particularly to do with services. Madam Chairman, on page 7, I think it was, of that report there was a graph which shows the flight path of TransLink service payments to Brisbane City Council, through Brisbane Transport.

That flight path as it stands at the moment is unsustainable and it does in a way reflect why the Labor state government were proposing 15 per cent fare increases every year through to 2014 and who knows if they were still in government what would happen beyond that. Because when you look at the growth in payments that would need to be made, Madam Chairman, to Brisbane Transport, that, Madam Chairman, shows why they were seeking those 15 per cent fare increases. Now let's be frank, 15 per cent fare increases also were not sustainable. This Chamber collectively expressed a view around that that we could not support 15 per cent increases because of the growth in public transport patronage would not be sustained if that were to occur.

I think that's been demonstrated by the fact that in the last year or two public transport growth has flat-lined. There's been a little bit of a kick this year as far as Brisbane services are concerned but it has essentially flat-lined which means that you're getting to a saturation point in terms of fares and the state government understand that. But fares can only be addressed if the costs associated with transport can be pushed down. Councillor DICK you're across the Costello Report quite clearly from your question earlier and I do refer you to page 7.

You can see there that the growth in costs go from around $260 million in

2011-12 through to what's heading towards $400 million by 2015, $400 million, how do you sustain that? How do you sustain that and keep fares down at the same time? Madam Chairman, these are the challenges that we are faced; these are the issues to which the former Labor government stuck their head in the sand, failed to acknowledge and failed to act upon. In the bus review, Madam Chairman, that was undertaken, when we undertook that, we noticed in the former Transport Minister's own electorate there were routes which clearly should not have been introduced because there is no case to introduce those new services.

They were pork barrelling at its very best, Madam Chairman, and when you look that is, after the review—

Councillors interjecting.

Chairman: Order.

LORD MAYOR: After the review, Madam Chairman, they are the services that still exist within Forest Lake and Richlands and Inala and Durack areas, Madam Chairman. There is a substantial number of services that exist. So, Madam Chairman—

Chairman: Councillor DICK if you continue to interject constantly like that you will be warned.

LORD MAYOR: So, Madam Chairman, we have to make sure that the spend is efficient. We have to look for savings. We have to look for efficiencies. We have to acknowledge and understand that that flight path of costs is simply not sustainable for the general public of Queensland and Brisbane.

Question 5

Chairman: Further questions? Councillor HOWARD.

Councillor HOWARD: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, my question is to the Chairman of the Neighbourhood Planning and Development Assessment Committee, Councillor COOPER. Councillor can you please update this Chamber on how this Administration is consulting with Brisbane's community to ensure that residents have an opportunity to provide their input into the draft new City Plan.

Chairman: Councillor COOPER.

Councillor COOPER: Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and I thank Councillor HOWARD for her question. It certainly is a great opportunity to convey very clearly how this Administration is continuing to work hard to plan for and to shape this city to 2031 and beyond. Well, Madam Chair, the LORD MAYOR and this Administration, we've been out there. We literally have been out there talking to people about the draft new City Plan. We've been talking to the community about our vision for the city, about meeting the challenges of a growing city while protecting our city's great way of life.

Yesterday we saw the next step in our consultation phase of the draft new City Plan with the plan going out for its formal notification period. Right from the start the LORD MAYOR has said that the formal consultation period will be double that which is required. So 60 business days of formal consultation. That is twice the amount of time that is required under the legislation. It's disappointing to note that that legislation was crafted under the hand of the Australian Labor Party, Madam Chair. They were the ones who reduced, who reduced, Madam Chair, the statutory consultation period to 30 business days when they introduced the Sustainable Planning Act in 2009.

So, Madam Chair, while the plan when to the state, the first State interest check, Council went out and has already been engaging with the community across this city. We've been going into shopping centres; we've been going to libraries. We've been going to all sorts of venues across Brisbane not just from 9am to 5pm, Madam Chair, but we've been out there doing the Thursday late night shopping run. We've been out there Saturday mornings trying to find opportunities to talk with people about the draft document.

To date we've held 30 information kiosks, we've had eight ‘Talk to a Planner’ sessions, we've got two more on today at Mount Gravatt at the showgrounds, which unfortunately Councillor ADAMS is unable to attend but ordinarily I know that she would be there. Madam Chair, there is more to come. We have approximately another 50 information kiosks planned. We will be out there at great locations, Madam Chair, I know you'll be with us at the Brookfield Show. We'll be there at the Green Heart Fair at Chermside, we'll be at Bunning’s at Oxley and we'll be at the Northey Street Markets just to name a few.

Plus we'll have another 12 ‘Talk to a Planner’ sessions going from Morningside to Carseldine to Nathan to Darra to City Hall itself and we will, Madam Chair, again be sending out fliers to each and every household in this city, Madam Chair. We sent out over 400,000 fliers with informal consultation and we will be doing the same again. Madam Chair, literally as I said earlier the LORD MAYOR and I have been out talking to small business, we've been talking to chambers of commerce. The LORD MAYOR and I were down there talking to the Southside and South West Chambers at the Richlands Lions Club, I think that was last Tuesday we were down there having breakfast.

We saw Councillor ADAMS there, Councillor HUANG there, the LORD MAYOR and I were enjoying chatting to that chamber of commerce or both chambers of commerce and making sure they were aware of the facts of the draft new City Plan. We've had forums with three universities; we've been talking to local heritage groups and heritage experts. We've been dealing with specialised industry groups like the cement and concrete industry. Madam Chair, the plan is available online for everyone to have a look at. We've had 37,000 hits to our website so far and over 10,000 fact sheets have been downloaded.

Anyone can go on and have a look at the draft plan. They can search and get a property report. They can get a property report on the current City Plan 2000 and on the proposed plan. So they know very clearly and upfront what can be built and where, Madam Chair. We are also offering an interpreter where possible for any of the sessions to assist with further enquiries and our website has information about the new City Plan in the top five languages of our city. So, Madam Chair, thank you to Councillor HOWARD for her enquiry. She has been a great supporter of the draft new City Plan and coming along to our engagement sessions.

I thank the LORD MAYOR and everyone who's been involved. It has been an outstanding process so far. We've been talking to the community and we will continue to do so, Madam Chair, for 60 business days and we look forward to hearing from them about the future for our wonderful city. Thank you.

Chairman: Councillor DICK.

Question 6

Councillor DICK: Thank you, Madam Chair, my question is to the LORD MAYOR. LORD MAYOR, if through Campbell Newman's plans to make the provision of Brisbane bus services as you say contestable, how many Brisbane Transport employees will lose their jobs if these State Government's privatisation plans resulted in Brisbane's bus services being outsourced?

Chairman: LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Madam Chairman, I get exasperated with Councillor DICK sometimes and, Madam Chairman, we do not have forced redundancies in this place. Now, Madam Chairman, Councillor DICK is talking here about contestability. I've made it clear before that we have survived each time that there has been contestability in terms of Brisbane Transport.

I say this to you Councillor DICK if we are going to continue to survive in terms of contestability, we have to make sure that we are as efficient as we possibly can be. Does that mean that we have to continue to look towards how we can be more cost competitive in an open market situation? You bet! I think the government's made that clear and isn't that fair and reasonable in a situation where they are faced with a government expenditure pattern where eight per cent more than receipts were being expended? Isn't that reasonable?

Isn't that a responsibility of government that might be wanting to try and get back a triple-A rating, or credit rating, which affects not just government but every other local authority in terms of borrowing costs and everything else around this state? I would have thought it was. I would have thought it was the reasonable and responsible thing for government to do. I Councillor DICK say to you that we have always had a policy of no forced redundancies in this Council. I don't see that as changing. I have made that clear in the past. It remains my position. Again we are dealing so much in hypotheticals here today because we do not know clearly beyond a generalised statement what the government's intentions are, what the conditions of the nature of tenders might be—

Chairman: Order. Councillor ABRAHAMS.

LORD MAYOR: We're talking about, a whole raft of things. But I would say this also that there still will be services that will run. Is that not right? Is that not right? Well there will be, there will be. So, Madam Chairman, I don't know what else I can offer Councillor DICK today. I just offer him those statements, I know it will never satisfy the leader of the Opposition but that's a reality but, Madam Chairman, that's where we are as of today.

Chairman: Further questions? Councillor MARX.

Question 7

Councillor MARX: Thank you, Madam Chairman. My question is to the Chairman of the Public and Active Transport Committee, Councillor MATIC. Councillor MATIC can you please detail how the consultation process with regard to the bus network review has insured that residents have the opportunity to provide feedback to Council?

Chairman: Councillor MATIC.

Councillor MATIC: Thank you, Madam Chairman, I thank Councillor MARX for the question. Madam Chairman, as part of this bus review it was absolutely fundamental to this Administration that we provide every possible opportunity for Brisbane residents to have their input into this process, into this vital process, Madam Chairman, as their feedback, as patrons, as people who use the service on a day to day basis is absolutely vital to the final proposals that we put forward. We decided to undertake an extensive mechanism, Madam Chairman, to provide those opportunities for consultation.

Within the document itself, Madam Chairman, there are components within it broken up under each option proposal put forward as to, Madam Chairman, the proposal itself, the rationale behind it and providing impacts and alternative options. Why, Madam Chairman, because it was important that when we put forward an idea of change that we provide the reasoning. So that when residents are looking at it they can understand what the reasoning behind that was so that they can make a more informed submission in respect of that.

But importantly also, Madam Chairman, in setting it out, what the impacts and alternatives are, we provide the next level of information to residents to make sure that when they look at it they can then decide whether that was a logical step as far as what they feel about the change and, Madam Chairman, whether at the end of the day that they agree or not agree with that proposal. Can I say that that has proven to be successful.

Of the 1216 submissions that were provided as of yesterday, Madam Chairman, almost one third of those are positive submissions from residents agreeing with what we set forward. Why? Because we have clearly illustrated what we want to achieve and, Madam Chairman, it has shown to provide benefit. Now in sending this review out, Madam Chairman, it was absolutely fundamental that every opportunity be provided to residents, not only electronically but in hard copy as well for those residents who don't feel comfortable making a submission on the net or still wanting to put a written submission in.

That's why, Madam Chairman, we made sure that apart from the website, within the website itself we provided ample opportunity for feedback. So there are 5000 characters in the feedback section, Madam Chairman, to make sure that people have more than enough opportunity to make a submission. There is also the opportunity and encouragement at the end of the feedback form to make further submissions if people so choose. Madam Chairman, we clearly delineated those routes that were affected and also those routes that were not so that we didn't have to confuse people about this being a whole of city review.

Importantly also hard copies, Madam Chairman, were provided to the libraries, to the customer centres and PDFs were sent to all ward offices. Attached to those, Madam Chairman, were hard copies of feedback forms so that if residents were at the library they could quite easily go to this bus review network document, open up the section and at the front in the summary, Madam Chairman, are all the different routes broken up into their component pieces.

So 100 to 200 for example, 200 to 300 and columns stated next to each one of those routes what the status was, so change or no change. So for example timetable change on a particular route, no change for other. Then a page number so that residents could clearly go to it. The reason for setting it out in this format, Madam Chairman, was to alleviate a lot of concerns that people might have had about their particular route, because rather than wanting to go through the whole document looking at the particular changes in numeric order, it was much simpler to put an index in the front. If there was a particular route that people were interested in, they could go to that and clearly see no change and then simply go well this particular review does not affect me.

By making sure that we've provided these simple opportunities, Madam Chairman, setting it out in a clear path to people in respect of the summary, in respect of the opportunities to view the document on the net, in libraries, within ward offices and customer services, we have provided ample opportunity, Madam Chairman. But also in the call centre scripting providing information to residents when they rang up to make sure that everyone was fully informed in this process. Because that's, Madam Chairman, at the end of the day what this administration is about.

It's about accountability to Brisbane residents, it's about open and good government. By working closely with all our residents on important projects like this we get better outcomes because, Madam Chairman, that's what we're about on this side of the Chamber. Collectively working with our residents, getting their feedback, feed it into the process to get better outcomes for our residents because at the end of the day it's about better service for everyone, Madam Chairman. It's about providing a better and more efficient bus network. By doing it the way we have we are working towards that goal.

Question 8

Councillor DICK: Thank you, Madam Chair, my question is to the LORD MAYOR. LORD MAYOR, we've just heard the spin about your bus cuts from Councillor MATIC but LORD MAYOR my question to you today is could you please advise the Chamber and the people of Brisbane of approximately how much money your own bus network review proposal will save the State Government?

Chairman: LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, can I just say this that the amounts of money that will be saved out of this bus review will not in fact be money that will save the State Government. As it sits, they are monies that will save the Brisbane City Council. Madam Chairman, that is clearly because if you've been keeping up with commentary Councillor DICK, you would find that the State Government have set a ceiling in terms of payments in relation to Brisbane Transport. That means that we will as an organisation have to make sure that we are efficient in what we do, competitive in what we do. Don't allow costs just to run away, Madam Chairman.

So it is that we will continue to do that and as I inferred in my question earlier, we will make whatever endeavours we need to; to make sure that Brisbane Transport is as efficient as it possibly can be. It cuts the cloth to measure and also acknowledges that that graph that I showed a little earlier, Madam Chairman, what I referred to as a flight path but let's say it's a growth in costs associated with the Queensland government and its obligation to Brisbane City Council that is not sustainable. It is not sustainable to grow to the extent that it is and not have some massive increase in fares.

Again I state that that is perhaps a hint as to why the Labor state government were increasing fares at the rate of 15 per cent a year and intended to do so through to 2014 and who knows beyond that. I've heard a lot today about privatisation, Madam Chairman, and concerns from Councillor DICK about privatisation. I just remind him that it was Labor governments, Madam Chairman, that did a whole lot of privatisation.

They privatised 25 per cent of Qantas, they privatised, Madam Chairman, Australian Airlines, the privatised Defence Force Home Loans franchises, they privatised—

Councillor JOHNSTON: Point of order, Madam Chairman.

Chairman: Point of order against you LORD MAYOR. Yes Councillor JOHNSTON.

Councillor JOHNSTON: Yes, Madam Chairman, I draw your attention to this question and it was about how much would the changes to the bus review save Council and the State Government. Madam Chairman, the LORD MAYOR is talking about privatisations from the Federal Government some 40 years ago. Those matters are not relevant to the question as it's been asked and I'd ask you to draw him back to the question. It's an important one for our city.

Chairman: Thank you Councillor JOHNSTON. LORD MAYOR.

LORD MAYOR: Well, Madam Chairman, the question that was asked of me was how much would it save the State Government? The answer is nothing.

Chairman: Further questions? Councillor KING.

Question 9

Councillor KING: Thank you, Madam Chair, my question is to the Chairman of Environment, Parks and Sustainability Committee Councillor BOURKE. Councillor BOURKE can you please detail how the Priority Infrastructure Plan in draft new City Plan will positively impact on Brisbane's parks and environment?

Chairman: Councillor BOURKE.

Councillor BOURKE: Thanks very much, Madam Chair, and I thank Councillor KING for the question talking about the future of the city as opposed to the negative rhetoric we're hearing from the Labor councillors from the other side of the Chamber. Madam Chairman, we on this side of the Chamber though have brought in the draft new City Plan, Madam Chairman, and as part of that it includes the Priority Infrastructure Plan. Of course it's the second iteration of that document, the first one having been brought in by the same Administration just a few years ago.

Madam Chairman, the LORD MAYOR has said on a number of occasions and we as an Administration and indeed as a Council promote our city and continue to try and deliver a greener and cleaner Brisbane, Madam Chairman. We know the importance as an administration that the green spaces and open spaces and the city's parks play in the lifestyle of all the residents of the City of Brisbane, Madam Chairman, and indeed the role that they play in promoting our city to tourists and visitors from across the world, Madam Chairman.

That's why in the Priority Infrastructure Plan there is a great emphasis on the green and the clean, Madam Chairman, in terms of the infrastructure. But, Madam Chairman, it doesn't happen by itself. You have to plan these things when it comes to developing and growing a city, Madam Chairman. The growth that we have seen in the City of Brisbane over the recent years and will continue to see going into the future, Madam Chairman, means that we need to now plan those pieces of infrastructure.

The green infrastructure, Madam Chairman, and also the blue infrastructure, the water infrastructure, the drainage infrastructure, Madam Chairman, to make sure that we're meeting a demand and continuing to provide that level of service and that level that our residents will expect and will expect into the future, Madam Chairman. It is so pleasing to see that there is in this particular Priority Infrastructure Plan, Madam Chairman, that's come through as part of the draft new City Plan as we heard from Councillor COOPER just before, will be out for consultation for a period of 60 business days.

Madam Chairman, there is a significant amount of time devoted to the green and the clean part of the infrastructure that needs to be provided for our city, Madam Chairman. We want our residents to be able to engage in our parks and open spaces, Madam Chairman. We want them to be safe. We want them to be adequate to meet the demands for the residents living in that community, Madam Chairman, for the types of uses that the residents will expect, Madam Chairman.

We need parks that go from our suburban neighbourhood parks, Madam Chairman, right through to some of the spaces that you see in the city which need to be more dynamic, Madam Chairman, more adaptable to the different uses, the different lifestyles that the residents in the heart of the city see, Madam Chairman, and want to see. Madam Chairman, that's why the Priority Infrastructure Plan through the list of schedules identify as critical those key pieces of land, Madam Chairman, those key parks that need to be delivered to help facilitate the growth, Madam Chairman.

So as we've been going around the city we've been doing our neighbourhood planning processing consultation with the residents of Brisbane, Madam Chairman, we've been picking up that information, identifying where the opportunities are to provide those facilities, to provide the future green spaces, the heart and lungs of the city, Madam Chairman, so that the residents will have those spaces available to them. So the Priority Infrastructure Plan will see some 306 new parks, Madam Chairman, across the city. Over the life of this particular PIP, Madam Chairman, there'll be another 78 upgrades through a combination of the contributions made by the developers, Madam Chairman, but also by Council to continue to meet that need in the community.

On top of that, Madam Chairman, on top of our investment in the green, there's also the blue so there is the drainage network, Madam Chairman, meeting the demands. As we all know in this place Brisbane is built on a flood plain and there is a great need to continue to invest in our drainage, Madam Chairman, to invest in that network, both the closed pipes, the open pipes, the waterways, Madam Chairman, the open channel drains, Madam Chairman, to make sure that we are meeting the drainage level that needs to be done across the city.

But particularly, Madam Chairman, in this particular PIP, there is something for the first time that hasn't been in the previous PIP. There is listed out backflow prevention devices, Madam Chairman. Front and centre in the document you can see the list of the backflow prevention devices, Madam Chairman, that we're getting on with as an administration, as part of the LORD MAYOR's commitment of $10 million to deliver those 12 locations, Madam Chairman. I won't call them 12 devices because it is 12 systems, Madam Chairman. But no one can doubt this Administration's commitment to backflow device implementation and delivery, Madam Chairman, when it is listed here for everyone to see, Madam Chairman, as part of our Priority Infrastructure Plan.

Putting it on the table saying there are these projects that we need to deliver to provide that level of flood immunity, Madam Chairman, so that you can see the density in some areas, in most cases help the residents who are already living there, Madam Chairman. But that is in this document and is something that I don't think anyone has really spoken about but I think it's only—

Chairman: Councillor BOURKE your time has expired. Thank you. Councillors that ends Question Time.

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