Bill Kaysing: Well, I am an alternative lifestyle writer, I have written about twenty books on how to live outside of what I called corporative imperatives, they are how to live very cheaply, how to not get caught in the rat race.
Nardwuar: Your name is Bill Kaysing
Bill Kaysing: Yes, I’ve written a number of books, there should be more in Vancouver library because the books have sold well and Lampoonics sold a couple of my books.
Nardwuar: For years, Bill, I've heard the rumour that Disney faked the
moon landing. Now you're here, Mr. Kaysing, to prove it's true, aren't
you? R.E.M. sang, "If you believe they put a man on the moon", you're here
to prove it, aren't you, Mr. Kaysing?
Bill Kaysing: I'm here to prove that no man has ever landed on the moon.
What's the background for that? There are lots of books on this subject,
Oh yeah, there are quite a few and there are more coming all the time.
Interestingly, several people have, and will, produce videotapes based on
There's a new book out, N.A.S.A. Mooned America.
Yes, that's by a man named Ralph Rene, who lives in Pasaic, New Jersey,
and the book is very well-done. It's far superior to my book because Rene
is essentially a self-taught engineer, and he's come up with a lot of
important points that I missed completely.
Well your book, We Never Went to the Moon, Bill, was probably the first
book to expose the moon hoax, wasn't it?
Yes, it was written in 1974 and has essentially been available ever since.
Rene calls astronauts, 'astro-nots', which is very interesting.
Yes, that is true. He has a good comic sense.
Bill Kaysing, can you give your background of your involvement in the
space program and what the official government line is about people
landing on the moon?
I was for seven years head of technical publications for the Rocketdyne
Research Department at the Propulsion Field Laboratory in the Simi Hills,
that's near Kenoga Park, California, and during that time I had top-secret
clearance and Atomic Energy Commission (A.E.C.) clearance and of course I
was in on all of the top secrets about the development of Mercury and
Gemini and, of course, Atlas, and, eventually, Apollo. And my experience
as a technical writer led me to believe that a lot of the things that the
aerospace industry and NASA preferred to have done, were never done. And
they were not as successful as they pretended to be. [As to the second
question,] the government claims that the reports of astronauts and
photographs and some rocks prove that we went to the moon and my feeling
is that some photos and some people who have been under military pay or
military jurisdiction all their lives and some rocks don't prove a thing.
In fact, there is so much contrary evidence to going to the moon, such as
solar and cosmic radiation, micro meteorites, the temperature on the moon,
the fact that the astronauts never reported how magnificent the stars were
or they never showed a picture of the crater that should have been dug
underneath the lunar lander - it goes on and on. I have hundreds of pieces
of information that any really intelligent person could review and then
decide for themselves.
Well, particularly, Mr. Kaysing, could you just prove it here with some
little points, that we actually did not go to the moon. In your book you
mention that there were no stars in the photos that NASA took.
That's right, and they had the most marvelous opportunity to take pictures
of all the stars in the universe visible from the moon. I've talked to a
number of top-level astronauts, both locally and elsewhere, and they say
that the astronauts would have been overwhelmed by the sight of trillions
of stars, not to mention Jupiter and Saturn and the other planets and so
forth, but not one picture has ever come back from the alleged trip to the
moon showing the stars in all their magnificence, nor do any of the
astronauts comment on the stars. They completely ignore it. It would be
like going to Niagara Falls and talking about the hamburger you ate.
Doesn't NASA say that the reason there were no stars is because their
cameras weren't set for the proper exposure, isn't that their line?
That's their line and that's pure baloney, because I've talked to
photographic experts who say that NASA have all the money in the world to
have a camera that would have taken magnificent pictures of stars. But