The Terrible Papers, Part IV: Stoler ("Deep Eddy")'s Posts on the Guardian Online bbs, November 1999 to the system's shutdown in March 2000

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The Terrible Papers, Part IV: Stoler ("Deep Eddy")'s Posts on the Guardian Online BBS, November 1999 to the system's shutdown in March 2000. Hard to follow sometimes, I know; remember, the stuff in Roman is mine; in Italics, theirs.

Message 75 11/13/99 7:52 AM

Subject: Re(3): getting someplace real fast

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
I just thought of another film (besides TV coverage of last week's NYC

Marathon) in which people run very fetchingly, something I watched on video a

few months ago: "The Seven Samurai". Maybe running was part of Samurai

training, but everyone, even the older leader, and especially the kid, and the

madman Toshiro Mifune, dashed very nicely, with quick, compact strides as they tried to be at the right place to repulse the bandit attack. (Distribution is

key.)
While I'm on the subject, I remember when Kurosawa died, a commentator on NPR

cited as an epitomic exemplum of the late director's the following exchange

from the end of "7S":


young samurai: (running up to old one, breathlessly, sword in hand): The

bandits??

older samurai: All dead!!

young samurai: (collapsing, as if about to throw up) Aieeeeeeee! Aieeeeeeee!!

A good choice. this sequence tersely conveys the release of tension at finally

and suddenly achieving some all important but almost unattainable seeming goal

-- an instant of disbelief giving way to elation and immediate doubt as one

wonders "was this really right? and necessary? and worth it?" and perhaps even

worse, "what will we do now?"

(cf. Gene Wilder to Cleavon Little at the end of "Blazing Saddles", "Gosh,

you've killed the bad guy.")

so many movies end with the hero vanquishing evil, apparently forever, but it

always comes back in the sequel (and even if one hates sequels, one must

concede they teach this valuable lesson that victory, like meaning and

everything else, is limited and temporary and contextual. ["The Terminator"

sequel showed how the rules can always be changed in the middle of the game,

which is where we always are, since the context can always be expanded and the

game itself never ends.] Which doesn't mean it's not worth it to fight to

secure some peace, say, for one's lifetime [though wouldn't one pray to live

another noon?] Unless there really is an absolute, and getting it would be the

final triumph, but then we're talking about God and I don't think "The Omega

Code" is playing in Bayaria yet, but if and when it arrives, I'll probably see
that along with "End of Days", though probably before.)

(This cuts both ways, too: when good is powerless in the face of unimaginable

and overwhelming evil, as in the end of "Chinatown", hope still survives.)

While I was at it, I watched "The Magnificent Seven", which really couldn't

compare, though Steve McQueen was terrific in a show with everything, even Yul

Brynner, and no last names (or if so, as Ordell Robie would say, no Christian

names) . "Where you headed?" "Drifting south. And you?""Just drifting." It was

interesting the way they combined the kid and the madman/farmer's son

characters and brought in Robert Conrad's nerveless dandy. And the idea of the

7 stupidly being forced to surrender and leave, then come back, was innovative

as well. But then, none of the deaths of the gunfighters seemed to be as well

motivated as in "7S", more like a sudden realization in the last five minutes

that hey, even those these guys are the heroes and up and coming or name

actors, we've gotta kill some of them off. The whole film, as an anology of

incipient US "advisory" involvement in a little country in Southeast Asia of

which no one had yet heard much, especially the "adoption" by the kids of one

of the gunfighting squad, makes an interesting comparison to "The Green

Berets". Anyone know if any of the same people worked on the two pictures, or

to what degree they were actually suggested or encouraged from within the

government for political purposes? nessie?

Knowing that even when I've written down everything about every movie, there

will still be more to write, and that I'll never quiet all my demons and rest

in the eternal present, but having decided arbitrarily to battle a few, for a

while,

Eddy
Message 74 11/13/99 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: getting someplace real fast

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
Eva Luna writes:



hey there Deep Eddy, have you got some personal issues against spoiler

warnings?
oops. In contrast to earlier posts, I thought I was speaking vaguely enough

(or perhaps ambiguously enough -- is there a difference?) that no warning

would be required, but you're the law in this town. I'll hand in my shootin'

irons to the Marshall same as everyone else.


SPILLING OF BEANS AND SPOILING OF ENDING AHEAD:

Deep Eddy writes:



The really strange thing was that I was glad for the happy ending.

I just realized, though, that what was unexpected was not that the film ended

happily by somewhat supernatural means, but that this happened without the

intervention of Peter Falk, Bruno Ganz, or Nastassja Kinski. The latter I'd

especially have liked to see show up.
Far away, but so close,
Eddy

Message 72 11/14/99 9:09 AM

Subject: Re(2): getting...someplace...really...slowly

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
I don't think there are any SPOILERS aboard, but others might find them, qui

igitur caveant.

sirin writes:

unless we're in roman occupied judea, and HDS is playing saul (he still woulda

made a better jesus than dafoe, tho).

I actually rather liked the casting of "Last Temptation" (as an eschatologist,

I collect movies that have "last" in the title in the sense of "ultimate",

though from my practice of endurance sports I like the other meaning as well.)

Well, in general. Barbara Hershey's tattoos were way ahead of the fashion

curve. David Bowie's Pilate was bomber (as has previously been discussed or

disgust here.) But Dafoe was the weak keystone copout. Larraine Newman and

Gilda Radner would certainly not have thought him the cutest Jesus they ever

saw (though he was a good Jesus-figure in "Platoon", carrying his machine gun

over his shoulders like a cross. Are metaphors better than literality?) But I

would not really have a nominee in this category, especially since I cut my

own hair over two years ago (I looked like Jesus, so they said. But Mr. Jesus

was very far away; I guess I'm the only one who can tell if it's true.) Does

the new "Dogma" have a Jesus character? Eric Stoltz might be good, not so much

because he looks like the Europeanized Savior of Western art and kitsch (I

definitely prefer my Kings of the Jews dark and Semitic for ease of

identification), but for his expression of beatific calm.

And yes, I liked Stanton as Saul, though Tarsus-Schmarsus, he was Paul

already. The zealot just switched causes. He showed that in the Mideast as in

the West, when the legend becomes history, print the legend.

Just another thought on "The Straight Story" (and in flat Iowa, the roads

really are straight): I kept expecting him to ride into some town that

happened to be holding a parade and to have him join is as in "Easy Rider".

(Don't some Shriners ride mowers in such parades, or am I just thinking of

something Dave Barry claimed he wasn't making up?) Now that I think of it, can

anyone who has seen that lately draw any parallels or find any references to

Billy and Captain America's trip? Well, analogies can always be stretched. As

must legs. So I'll be running, and go silent.
Eddy
Message 69 11/14/99 9:15 AM

Subject: Re(3): Hackman Alert!!

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
Steve Omlid writes:



Seriously, how was it?

I think that the Sheriff who so effectively kept the peace of Big Whiskey and

the Moderator of film would have had many stories and much mutual advice to

share!
Eddy (learned his lesson from English Bob)

Message 68 11/14/99 9:26 AM

Subject: Re(2): Dogma

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
was "Dogma" a DOGME film?


which parts of New Jersey did they show? (as a Garden Stater, admire Kevin

Smith for that we have so much more along with aliens named John than just

gangsters.)

Did Silent Bob finally speak, as in "Clerks"? As orange shows best on gray,

the way to make something stand out in film is to define it as impossible.

Hence the drama of Ken Howard's Thomas Jefferson speaking out for

independence, or Secretary Thomson's showing emotion, in "1776", or Marcel

Marceau's uttering the only line in Mel Brooks' "Silent Movie", or Peter

Sellers' Dr. Strangelove rising from his wheelchair. There's something

end-of-the-worldish about such reversals, as if, as in the "Far Side" cartoon

with the fishermen and the mushroom clouds in the background, all the rules

are now off, all the asymptotes have touched the axes.

Not repenting, though the end of GOL is nigh...

Eddy

> 65


Message 65 11/15/99 6:51 AM

Subject: Re(4): getting...someplace...really...slowly

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
sirin writes:



and keitel? aye,
don't you mean "aie"? "aye" generally shows agreement -- a typo?
he was ridiculous. and yet, there was an undeniable suspense between him and

dafoe, along with an homoerotic twinkle. judas' inner battle was as a result

far more compelling than that of jesus'. judas, the perfect fighting man,
I thought that was the Comedian.
following around a guy who wants to put an end to fighting.

It's been a long time since I've seen this film, and you're generally right

about these things, so I'll just agree with you totally in your interpretation

-- of the film. (The accents, by the way, did not really bother me. Jesus and

his droogs were working class types, from Galilee, which was the stix. Only

Judas was from a city in more cosmopolitan Judaea. ) But let's go back, as

Steve Omlid would say, to the base story. Well, no. I really can't support the

(literally) unorthodox view I'm about to present with anything in any Gospel

(including the Gnostics, which I haven't read) but I haven't found anything to

contradict it either; it's never seemed that the New Testament is favorite

literature here, but if anyone wants to take a look and verify or disprove me

(though in the latter case I would fall back on nessieisms like "Consider the

source" and claim the Fab Four of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John could not be

called objective.) But here, from nowhere except the perverse depths of my

emotional seat, is my idea:


Jesus may have something special about him, but not about Him. He's not the

Son of God, he's just a guy with an insight and a message. But he very quickly

realizes that people don't pay a lot of attention to message alone, and pure

faith is not enough; they want physical demonstrations. So the carpenter's son

learns a few sleight of hand tricks, and remembers some practical medicine he

learned in Egypt, and pretty soon he's performing MIRACLES, Hallelujah! and

people are paying attention to what he's saying! Or so he thinks. Really, as

Martin Scorcese's character says in "Quiz Show", they're watching the money,

or the food, the wine, the free health care. And things get out of control

pretty quickly. Pretty soon, this guy who wants people to stop worrying about

who is ruling them and start worrying about being nice people is being hailed

not only as a religious figure, but as a political one, as a temporal king who

is supposed to chuck out the Romans with a wave of his hand. By the time of

Jesus' entry into Jerusalem, they're ready for rebellion. This simple Galilean

has gotten carried away with the adoration -- wouldn't you? He thinks people

are really paying attention to his call for a return to virtue and a

concentration on things of the spirit, not the world. Wrongo. He finally

realizes what's happening. He knows that if the Jews rebel, they will be

crushed and suffer horribly not only at the hands and spears of the Romans,

not known for their tolerance of insurrections, but at each others' hands,

since plenty of Jews had discovered the advantages of the Pax Romana (you

know, stability, aqueducts, education, sewers, it's safe to walk the streets

at night, roads, baths). The result will be that the last thinkg on which

people will be focusing will be treating each other nicely, as he has been

preaching, and in fact, everything he stood for will become smeared, and with

blood. He realizes there is only one way to show that you really believe in a

cause, and that is to die for it, especially painfully. (Think of the

self-immolating Buddhist monks in Vietnam.) The rebellion won't happen without

its leader, and they'll pay attention again to his message. So he decides that

he has to be executed by the Romans. He *needs* to be handed over. When he

says, "One of you shall betray me", he's not making a statement. He's giving a

command. He's asking for volunteers. Why Judas? He was the favorite. He was

the outsider, the City Boy; the Galileans stuck together. Or maybe, with his

more sophisticated background, only he could appreciate the subtleties of the

Rabbi's plan.

Unfortunately, no one else did.
What's this about Christian (!?) Bale playing Jesus? He's a bit angular for

it, wouldn't you say?


Also, does anyone know anything about either of these films I saw advertised

in my Sunday Times (including if or when they will be heading this way):

"Where's Marlowe?", starring Miguel Ferrer, son of Jose, of "Twin Peaks" and

"Robocop", and "Last Night", which I guess is about the world coming to an end

-- sounds like a certain Ray Bradbury story -- and should provide ample

metaphors for the impending demise of this place?


Rising and singing and Apocalypsinking,
Eddy
> 64

Message 64 11/15/99 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: Fwd: altcity (I tried it!)

From: Deep Eddy

To: death of GOL?
Kelsey Gadoo writes:

My browser (yes, I'm on AOL) repeatedly returned to a "cookie failure" page. I

don't even know if I have cookies or the ability to turn them on and off. I

*have* used other pages that are able to "remember" me when I return, so I

would guess that my cookies are doing fine on other websites, yes?
So if I can't access the site, then clearly, I won't be able to bring my

sparkling wit and fine personality to the site.

So much for seeing me over at altcity, you guys.

Hmm. I had no trouble accessing the site and sending mail from it using AOL

4.0 on a five or six year old 486 PC. But this machine, which I got for free,

I use only for online stuff, so I don't care so much if it gets full of

cookies. (Got milk?) I guess even these could be dangerous but thinking about

it would make me go crazy. Maybe if this were a nicer machine on which I kept

my whole life, I'd worry more. But let's face it, a lot of people know a lot

of things about me; maybe that explains some of the weird things what don't

quite go right in my life, but for most of those there seem to be less

paranoid reasons. I could go to the other extreme and not only refuse all

cookies, but sweep my apartment for bugs daily, like Harry Caul or nessie. I

simply don't feel, realistically, that I'm important enough that anyone would

(or find it worth their while) target me. Or maybe I've already created a

complete false identity (second social security number too!) which I keep

completely secure and which is all anyone could learn about, or into which I

could retreat if my real identity were compromised. Well, that's my strategy,

I'm sharing it, like Ed Pankau, Houston P.I. and author of "How to Hide Your

Assets and Disappear" (www.hideyourassets.com) if it works for you, you're

welcome to it.

In deep cover, or in too deep,
Eddy
> 63

Message 63 11/15/99 7:13 AM

Subject: the disadvantages of equal status

From: Deep Eddy

To: politics
something fascinating on the radio Sunday morning: parents suing schools to

prevent the reading of Harry Potter books to children, on the grounds that

since the books glorify witches and witchcraft, which (yes, that spelling) is

demanding and receiving recognition as a religion, for public school teachers

to share the books with the class amounts to state-support of one faith over

another. (Imagine the objections if a class were obliged to listen book about

a young woman's path to nunhood!) Some might call this a Catch-22, but I think

itt's neat the way the analog universe regulates itself, that you can't have

the advantages of something without the downside, that there is no free lunch.
Man, I love this universe. if only it weren't part of my destiny to bring it

to an end.


> 62

Message 62 11/15/99 7:14 AM

Subject: Re: What does it mean

From: Deep Eddy

To: the dream pit
Kelsey Gadoo writes:

Sometimes I feel as though different pieces of myself exist in these separate

parallel universes.

"A Chinaman of the T'ang Dynasty -- and, by which definition, a philosopher -

- dreamed he was a butterfly, and from that moment he was never quite sure that

he was not a butterfly dreaming it was a Chinese philosopher. Envy him; in his

two-fold security." -- Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead",

Act II, about five pages in

Message 58 11/15/99 10:57 PM

Subject: Re(6): getting...someplace...really...slowly

From: Deep Eddy

To: film

reading sirin's gospel truths, I realize it's a good thing I didn't try to

cite scripture for my purpose. I regret my blasphemy, and acknowledge, that

like Charlie the Big Bopper, you don't have to work with no blasphemers. but

everyone, I think, is entitled to see Jesus as whatever type, color, or gender

he or she likes. there's a bit more to mine, but that revelation will is not

yet ready to be read.

sirin writes:



your comments, however, do invoke an interesting comparison between the plight

of the jews under the romans and the plight of the jews under the egyptians.

after all, in those earlier times, the jews spent basically 40 years in the

wilderness bitching about the superior material conditions they abandoned in

order to follow mo' and his bro. jesus didn't want a reprise of that. on the

contrary, it was his job to behave as unmosaically as possible, so as to

signal a conclusive break with the traditions of the OT, and the beginning of

something entirely new.
this is true. moses didn't mind the blood, because he didn't really have a

message. he had 'instructions.' one might speculate that if god had

initially sent jesus instead of moses, the jews would still be in egypt to

this day...


as I write this, I am listening to a reprise of this morning's "Forum" program

on KQED, which is devoted to Moses. Some interesting views. Moses the giver of

the law, Jesus in a sort of ambiguous position to it, claiming that not one

jot nor tittle (checked that three times for typos) would pass from it, yet

shifting his emphasis away from it.

to justify this post, let me say that i saw 'dogma' last night, the ending of

which revealed to me (spoiler) that it is mathematically impossible for god to

exist within the boundaries of his own creation.
why should God be bound by mathematics, or by our puny, contextual logic? I

would have little use for such a God. what point to a God we can understand

completely?the whole point of religion is to be irrational, to be mysterious,

to make an emotional appeal to faith, not an intellectual appeal to reason. as

far as I'm concerned, if there is a God, he or she or it is perfectly capable

of making a stone so heavy hOsOi can't lift it. God is not bound by Godel,

only mass and energy and space and time and information are.
According to some Jewish lore, in order to create the material universe, God

had to withdraw Himself (this tradition assigns gender) from it a little;

since God is absolute unity, the variation we see could not exist if He were

fully there. Pull my finger and I'll tell you all about my informational

theology.
staying up all night wondering if there really is a Dog,
Eddy
> 57

Message 57 11/15/99 11:01 PM

Subject: new SAG President

From: Deep Eddy

To: film
the new President of the Screen Actors Guild (in the illustrious tradtion of

Ronald Reagan, Ed Asner, and Charlton Heston, among others) is William

Daniels, whom, despite his many roles in films such as "The Graduate" and TV

shows like "St. Elsewhere" I will never be able to see as anyone but John

Adams, "obnoxious and disliked", railing against his fellow Continental

Congressmen's resistance to American independence in the musical "1776". Give

'em hell, Bill!

> 56

Message 56 11/15/99 11:04 PM

Subject: Re(2): the disadvantages of equa

From: Deep Eddy

To: politics

jon harmon writes:

Please say more about your role in ending the

universe.
We all increase its overall entropy with every action. some just try harder

than others to give that little extra push.


"I've seen mountains, compared to which these mountains are valleys!"

("Through the Looking Glass")


Eddy

> 46


Message 46 11/16/99 7:18 PM

Subject: What Inspires Buchanan

From: Deep Eddy

To: film


politics

I was thinking today how the title of Pat Buchanan's book, "A Republic, not an

Empire", has curious associations coming out only months after the blockbuster

"Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace", which deals with the transformation

of one of the named political systems into the other. Do you think Pat was

trying to capitalize on ideas that pop culture had put in people's minds? Does

he mention jedi virtues in his book? Or was he simply inspired by the Lucasian

worldview? Buchanan was in the Reagan Administration -- does anyone know if he

had any particular involvement in that Hollywood-oriented regime's own

borrowings from the Skywalker Saga, the "Evil Empire" speech, or the "Star



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